RTO and No Childcare.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am going to start calling all these oh-so-important people "sciffies."

It's weird that national security concerns make you so mad.

Another "important" person posting here.

None of you sciffies have actually said what you do while pushing papers around all day.

I have a friend who works in one and does programming of radar control systems.

[Anonymous]

I date someone who works in cybersecurity and goes into SCIF to get and give sensitive updates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am going to start calling all these oh-so-important people "sciffies."

It's weird that national security concerns make you so mad.

Another "important" person posting here.

None of you sciffies have actually said what you do while pushing papers around all day.

Why are you so obsessed with this? It’s only barely related to the topic of the thread, which is the incoming admin’s RTO policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I date someone who works in cybersecurity and goes into SCIF to get and give sensitive updates.

Give the public an example of "sensitive update."

The posts here are relative. If the jobs were so important they would not be done at home.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am going to start calling all these oh-so-important people "sciffies."

It's weird that national security concerns make you so mad.

Another "important" person posting here.

None of you sciffies have actually said what you do while pushing papers around all day.

I'm a DOJ lawyer. Our building has one for reviewing documents and evidence in national security cases. I don't prosecute those types of cases so I've never been inside.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I date someone who works in cybersecurity and goes into SCIF to get and give sensitive updates.

Give the public an example of "sensitive update."

The posts here are relative. If the jobs were so important they would not be done at home.

Jesus Christ! SCIFs were brought up as an example of jobs that AREN’T done fully at home. Why are you still harping on this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I date someone who works in cybersecurity and goes into SCIF to get and give sensitive updates.

Give the public an example of "sensitive update."

The posts here are relative. If the jobs were so important they would not be done at home.

Jesus Christ! SCIFs were brought up as an example of jobs that AREN’T done fully at home. Why are you still harping on this?

It's no secret that the incoming admin does not respect intelligence agencies. Part of the whole schtick is denigrating what they do.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have never heard of SCIF of either. Did you just make that up??

Anyhoo, sounds incredibly boring. Do you have to sit all day? Stare at a computer screen?

I recommend teaching or firefighting. Or are you too out of shape?

How have you never heard of it? Not made up. And, some of those folks partly work at home too.

It took me a while. I have never seen it written down, always just heard it pronounced as SKIFF.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The issue for me is the 8-6 in office requirement. Right now, I work 8-5, pick up my kids, and then work a few more hours at home in the evening. Daycare closes at 6 and I have a 45 minute commute, so I'm not sure what I will go if the 8-6 requirement goes into effect.

Right. I think that is what the childcare threads are talking about. It’s not lack of childcare it’s the commutes along with the 8-6pm requirement. If before care and aftercare is from 7:30-6 and my commute is an hour it doesn’t work.

It works if there are TWO responsible parents. you stagger your days: DH does drop off and gets home later; DW does pickup and gets home earlier. When my kid was little and in daycare I left for work at 7:45, worked from 830-5, picked him up by 530, home by 6:15. DH dropped him off in the morning, got to the office later, and worked pretty late (maybe until 730 or so most nights).

Later on we got a part-time babysitter for after school so that made it even easier - we would stagger drop off at 8:30 and then the other just needed to be home around 6-630.

NP here. Well, yes, if you stagger your schedules it works. My husband and I did that for years. But PP is referencing DOGE saying all federal hours will be a mandatory 8-6. No more staggering hours; no wiggle room. You and your spouse are now both leaving the house at 7am and returning at 7pm.

Not all agencies allow flex hours. Mine does not. I can’t just decide I want to work at 7 so I can leave at 3. I wish it did. I have worked for agencies that do - but not now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I date someone who works in cybersecurity and goes into SCIF to get and give sensitive updates.

Give the public an example of "sensitive update."

The posts here are relative. If the jobs were so important they would not be done at home.

Jesus Christ! SCIFs were brought up as an example of jobs that AREN’T done fully at home. Why are you still harping on this?

It's no secret that the incoming admin does not respect intelligence agencies. Part of the whole schtick is denigrating what they do.

Some GOP congressman brought a cell phone into a SCIF in some big public tantrum which is a HUGE no.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did you know… many of the people that work in SCIFS get “wellness” hours to go workout every day? The people I know who work in natsec do get a lot of flexibility. Why is this a debate here? No one is working more than 40 hours a week in the office without some perks, including moderate ad hoc telework, wellness hours, flexible start/end times, and credit hours.

If I am coming back in 5 days a week, I’ll be taking full advantage of every one of those things. I’ll also use some of my sick leave to take full days off for doctor’s appointments and minor colds. And I’ll probably use annual leave more regularly to take super long weekends. Coming back in isn’t going to change anything other than the amount of money I spend on gas and food.

Absolutely not true. Yes people work more than 40 hours. Those on contracts cannot but feds and employees of companies can and do and not all work happens in the scif depending on the job. There are no wellness hours or credit hours.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our kid has been working from home since well before Covid. When she and her husband decided to have kids they lined up child care first - the grandparents when the kids were babies and a preschool/daycare once they were toddlers. It never occurred to her for a second that she could watch her kids at home herself and work at the same time. It’s not fair to anyone involved.

Time to return to reality, ladies.

Why are you only putting the onus on the ladies? 🙄

And plenty of us paid for high quality infant care. We didn’t foist it on grandparents with outdated notions of gender roles. But moochers gonna mooch.

I say “ladies” because we all know there are no men on this thread. And in my post I made clear that THEY - not “she” - made arrangements for childcare when THEY decided to have kids.

I’m also sorry that you don’t have a more helpful mother. Sucks for you.

NP. My parents are dead.

But at least they weren't weirdly vicious and sanctimonious like you appear to be. Anyway, I'll cheerfully RTO but I will get less work done, and won't work a minute over my 40 hours. Of course, my carefully constructed commute and school pickup could go completely out the window if they have to move the office because they cancelled the lease on half the office space. It's all absurd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue for me is the 8-6 in office requirement. Right now, I work 8-5, pick up my kids, and then work a few more hours at home in the evening. Daycare closes at 6 and I have a 45 minute commute, so I'm not sure what I will go if the 8-6 requirement goes into effect.

Right. I think that is what the childcare threads are talking about. It’s not lack of childcare it’s the commutes along with the 8-6pm requirement. If before care and aftercare is from 7:30-6 and my commute is an hour it doesn’t work.

It works if there are TWO responsible parents. you stagger your days: DH does drop off and gets home later; DW does pickup and gets home earlier. When my kid was little and in daycare I left for work at 7:45, worked from 830-5, picked him up by 530, home by 6:15. DH dropped him off in the morning, got to the office later, and worked pretty late (maybe until 730 or so most nights).

Later on we got a part-time babysitter for after school so that made it even easier - we would stagger drop off at 8:30 and then the other just needed to be home around 6-630.

NP here. Well, yes, if you stagger your schedules it works. My husband and I did that for years. But PP is referencing DOGE saying all federal hours will be a mandatory 8-6. No more staggering hours; no wiggle room. You and your spouse are now both leaving the house at 7am and returning at 7pm.

Not all agencies allow flex hours. Mine does not. I can’t just decide I want to work at 7 so I can leave at 3. I wish it did. I have worked for agencies that do - but not now.

My local public school ends at 2:10. No job would let us leave at 2pm as it’s still within core hours. Even if I were came to start work at 6am.

We need longer school hours. 8-4 would be my preference. Longer hours with longer lunches (my one kid is a slow eater and was losing weight because he only really had 10min to eat), more recess and more PE and language. Teachers could stagger schedules so they didn’t work more than 8 hours the same way my daycare staggers schedules.

[Anonymous]

I work 7-330 in a HS, I am not staying later to babysit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The issue for me is the 8-6 in office requirement. Right now, I work 8-5, pick up my kids, and then work a few more hours at home in the evening. Daycare closes at 6 and I have a 45 minute commute, so I'm not sure what I will go if the 8-6 requirement goes into effect.

Right. I think that is what the childcare threads are talking about. It’s not lack of childcare it’s the commutes along with the 8-6pm requirement. If before care and aftercare is from 7:30-6 and my commute is an hour it doesn’t work.

It works if there are TWO responsible parents. you stagger your days: DH does drop off and gets home later; DW does pickup and gets home earlier. When my kid was little and in daycare I left for work at 7:45, worked from 830-5, picked him up by 530, home by 6:15. DH dropped him off in the morning, got to the office later, and worked pretty late (maybe until 730 or so most nights).

Later on we got a part-time babysitter for after school so that made it even easier - we would stagger drop off at 8:30 and then the other just needed to be home around 6-630.

NP here. Well, yes, if you stagger your schedules it works. My husband and I did that for years. But PP is referencing DOGE saying all federal hours will be a mandatory 8-6. No more staggering hours; no wiggle room. You and your spouse are now both leaving the house at 7am and returning at 7pm.

Not all agencies allow flex hours. Mine does not. I can’t just decide I want to work at 7 so I can leave at 3. I wish it did. I have worked for agencies that do - but not now.

My agency does but lots of specific jobs make them impossible. Public facing? You work during open hours. National office? You have to be available at reasonable times for people in California and Hawaii.