RTO and No Childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


Wait, are you a member of the public trying to call like a hotline? Or a colleague calling another colleague?

Either way, I don’t really care (do u?) I was just explaining a societal trend
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


Because everyone who works and has kids already has the childcare thing sorted. Even WFH adult workers with children have childcare so they are work during work.
You seem to be the only one that hasn't figured out that you are busted for not working.
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Anonymous wrote:It’s not a lack of childcare that’s the problem; it’s that these women want to have it both ways. They don’t want to pay anyone else to watch their children, they prefer to fleece their employers.


This isn't necessarily true - especially for kids that are old enough to entertain themselves for an hour or two with parents in the house. My kids are older so I have no dog in this fight but for example our ES drop off is at 9:10 and school ends are 3:50. There is an hour on either end of that comprise the workday for most people. It would be super easy to give your child a quick breakfast and then start working while the kid gets ready to leave for school. After school they can play/watch a show/do homework while parents finish up work. This is not fleecing your employer!
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


Because everyone who works and has kids already has the childcare thing sorted. Even WFH adult workers with children have childcare so they are work during work.
You seem to be the only one that hasn't figured out that you are busted for not working.


What? Try to follow the thread.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


No, this thread is not making Trump seem reasonable.

This seems difficult to understand for you, but talking about not being able to reach someone is really disconnected from talking about childcare. I get that you want to make some leap in your mind without evidence that the two are connected, but it is pure conjecture on your part.

and for the thousandth time, people are paying for FT childcare while working. The issue is the change to accommodate the commute.
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Anonymous wrote:People will just have to do whatever they did before COVID.


You mean telework? Because that's what I was doing.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


No, this thread is not making Trump seem reasonable.

This seems difficult to understand for you, but talking about not being able to reach someone is really disconnected from talking about childcare. I get that you want to make some leap in your mind without evidence that the two are connected, but it is pure conjecture on your part.

and for the thousandth time, people are paying for FT childcare while working. The issue is the change to accommodate the commute.


Parents have to stagger their schedules to make it work.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


No, this thread is not making Trump seem reasonable.

This seems difficult to understand for you, but talking about not being able to reach someone is really disconnected from talking about childcare. I get that you want to make some leap in your mind without evidence that the two are connected, but it is pure conjecture on your part.

and for the thousandth time, people are paying for FT childcare while working. The issue is the change to accommodate the commute.


Parents have to stagger their schedules to make it work.


Yes, which also might mean they aren't available to take PP's call.
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Anonymous wrote:I think a lot of the people that need to scramble now have no pre-Covid reference point for childcare for school-aged children. We are coming up on 5 years since the pandemic started and if your kid was in kindergarten then they really don’t need before/aftercare anymore. So telling these people just do what you did pre-Covid doesn’t mean anything to them.


I do think this is an issue. For those of us who had young (and young school age) kids pre-covid, we remember the scramble. We also know folks (mostly women) who made the decision to make less $$ and have a parent at home or part-time when kids were young and needed to be carted around to activities (in many ways, young school age kids are way harder than daycare age kids).
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


No, this thread is not making Trump seem reasonable.

This seems difficult to understand for you, but talking about not being able to reach someone is really disconnected from talking about childcare. I get that you want to make some leap in your mind without evidence that the two are connected, but it is pure conjecture on your part.

and for the thousandth time, people are paying for FT childcare while working. The issue is the change to accommodate the commute.


Parents have to stagger their schedules to make it work.


Yes, which also might mean they aren't available to take PP's call.


You don't pay very close attention. I'm not saying that pre covid people were constantly sitting by the phone waiting for people to call them. But they did generally go into the office and would return the calls they didn't answer. Now it is very hard to reach people.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


I'm a fed manager, and my biggest problems are boomers who are phoning it in from home (because they can right now) and should just go ahead and retire. I'm happy to be flexible for my younger employees who are juggling young kids. I remember that scramble well myself.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


No, this thread is not making Trump seem reasonable.

This seems difficult to understand for you, but talking about not being able to reach someone is really disconnected from talking about childcare. I get that you want to make some leap in your mind without evidence that the two are connected, but it is pure conjecture on your part.

and for the thousandth time, people are paying for FT childcare while working. The issue is the change to accommodate the commute.


Parents have to stagger their schedules to make it work.


Yes, which also might mean they aren't available to take PP's call.


You don't pay very close attention. I'm not saying that pre covid people were constantly sitting by the phone waiting for people to call them. But they did generally go into the office and would return the calls they didn't answer. Now it is very hard to reach people.


you know cell phones exist, right? That you don't need to be in an office to take a call? Because you seem to think that.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


I completely agree with you. People who act like doing a school bus pick up is a ten minute disruption and think that the rest of us buy this are delusional. First the bus is late. Then little Emily needs a snack and couldn’t possibly get it on her own. And then needs to get set up with homework or some activity. And add that school bus pick ups span a period of hours and all of the subsequent kid disruptions, it’s hard to get things accomplished in the afternoons.

My non fed office is back in the office full time with core hours starting next week and I am looking forward to having the whole day to get things done.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in a different level of government that is still allowing a lot of teleworking. Personally, I have absolutely been paying for FT child care this whole time with the exception of the first months of the pandemic.

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.

I am fine with having telework but the problem is the total lack of accountability or consequences.


You think this is because of childcare that you can't reach people? Why? There are a number of reasons people don't pick up their phones from a unknown number, particularly certain agencies/offices.


I've been in my job for many years before the pandemic. You used to be able to pick up the phone and reach people and if you didn't they'd call you back. We serve the public it's not appropriate to ignore calls from unknown numbers.


This is in part a shift in how people communicate. People under, say, 40 abhor the phone. They will 100% get back to you in an instant message or in my case, Teams direct calls. The cell phone is a different beast.


+1. It’s considered rude nowadays to randomly call people without texting them first. Weird but true.


You all are just digging yourselves deeper in. It's not "rude" to call a government office that is paid to serve the public. Smh


still nothing to do with childcare. Start a different thread about how you can't reach someone in the federal government.


The fact you don't think it's relevant says so much.

I see so much entitlement in this thread. I know many federal employees that are very hard workers and I am very worried for them. But they have been paying for full time child care this whole time. It's clear that some workers simply decided their job was no longer full time and they are not accountable to anyone. People notice this sort of thing and it makes Trump seem reasonable to many people. Which ultimately hurts the many hard working feds.


No, this thread is not making Trump seem reasonable.

This seems difficult to understand for you, but talking about not being able to reach someone is really disconnected from talking about childcare. I get that you want to make some leap in your mind without evidence that the two are connected, but it is pure conjecture on your part.

and for the thousandth time, people are paying for FT childcare while working. The issue is the change to accommodate the commute.


Parents have to stagger their schedules to make it work.


Yes, which also might mean they aren't available to take PP's call.


You don't pay very close attention. I'm not saying that pre covid people were constantly sitting by the phone waiting for people to call them. But they did generally go into the office and would return the calls they didn't answer. Now it is very hard to reach people.


you know cell phones exist, right? That you don't need to be in an office to take a call? Because you seem to think that.


I'll quote for you what I wrote above on this point since you are are incapable of careful reading (or just see what you want to see)

It's become impossible to reach most employees by phone. There was never a requirement to have calls forwarded so people are just not answering their office phones or leaving an alternate number. It's ridiculous.
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