Hayfield Football Coach Fired

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Anonymous wrote:Lordy I hope that desperate Overton fan isn't a teacher. That's barely English.

+1. The poor grammar and writing style of the one Overton booster who posts over and over on this and the other thread is so recognizable.

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Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

Adding Reid said at one point that FCPS looks at residency and VHSL looks at eligibility. So maybe FCPS cleared that the kids lived where they said so they could be enrolled and then just waited on VHSL to say 27-9 violation and took this long?

VHSL has stricter residency rules than FCPS. FCPS is super lax. VHSL requires a bona fide residence--.the entire family has to actually move and they don't put up with BS like homeless claims.

The ban is due to recruiting violations. They may have been so clearcut that VHSL didn't even have to go into all the residency violations.

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Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

Yeah, I’m sure it was multiple hater’s out there that wanted to bring that uppity n****r to a position where he wouldn’t be able to beat on some of nova white programs in the playoffs. Some of them which are doing the same stuff Overton was and maybe even more extreme. However, there is a lot of talent down in the Southeastern part of the state and some of those schools have more talent than Hayfield.

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Ohhhhh there it is! Time for the race-baiting. You always pull that out when your arguments fail.

You never answered the question about all the private school and DC kids and where they resided last spring.

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The recruiting rules are very clear. Only a real
moron would put something in writing.

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Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

That’s why, historically, star athletes transfer for niche courses their school doesn’t offer like Latin or French, and then they suddenly make the varsity basketball team or field hockey team. There are also no incriminating texts or emails. Maybe unrecorded conversations among friends, athletes, and parents, but that’s it.

The coaches are innocent and typically say they only judge the talent of those athletes that show up at their school for practice, green days, tryouts. The school staff vets residency reqs.

I said this back in august but everyone knew it was happening all the way through gatehouse. Everyone knows it happens at other schools throughout the state but like you said the way to skirt is find a loophole. Before your comment someone mentioned probably someone else talked which means the old coaching boys fraternity sacrificed one of their own to insulate themselves from similar inquiry. I knew that if it got to vhsl that was what would happen. They’ll be happy to sell out one of their own if it means they can keep getting away with it. Hayfield and Overton get slammed and vhsl looks like they absolutely took care of business. The rest of the state plays it close to the chest for 2-3 years and then the cycle starts up again.

I will also say that when you are team accused of cheating and and recruiting. One of the worst things you can is run up the score in every game you play. Especially in northern Virginia, you can run it up if you’re clean but if you know you’re dirty, beating the living crap out of opponents just puts a big target on you. In addition, you don’t put an out of conference out of state game on your schedule unless you know you will win. The riverdale Baptist game they lose and the article is still mentioning the recruiting cheating. Plus the score run ups. Overton said I got away with it in prince William so I’ll do it in fcps too! But freedom Woodbridge is not the same as hayfield and pwcs is not the same as fcps. Hey maybe they would’ve lost in the playoffs now we won’t know but I have a feeling if they don’t schedule riverdale baptist and keep the score line competitive, vhsl does end up taking the hard look it did because whoever the coaching frat whistleblower was doesn’t come forward.

Its not a "loophole", its a legit reason to transfer and the student has to go to the nearest school that offers Tagalog or whatever

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The recruiting rules are very clear. Only a real
moron would put something in writing.

Will be a lot of “we didn’t know” and “that wasn’t meant to”…..

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Anonymous wrote:The recruiting rules are very clear. Only a real
moron would put something in writing.

Will be a lot of “we didn’t know” and “that wasn’t meant to”…..

The evidence must be overwhelming for a two year ban.

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Yep, they knew this would be incredibly controversial. They have likely been collecting evidence all season. There is no way this is overturned. They wouldn't have banned them without TONS of clear proof.

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So glad someone is providing justice here. Now the principal needs to be fired (not moved to Gatehouse) for allowing and encouraging this cheating.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohhhhh there it is! Time for the race-baiting. You always pull that out when your arguments fail.

You never answered the question about all the private school and DC kids and where they resided last spring.

Not saying Overton didn’t break the rules. I need more information to determine if he did. However, I do know some white coaches that are doing the things Overton is accused of and we aren’t hearing any public complaints.

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Anonymous wrote:The recruiting rules are very clear. Only a real
moron would put something in writing.

Will be a lot of “we didn’t know” and “that wasn’t meant to”…..

The evidence must be overwhelming for a two year ban.

If Hayfield cheated in any games, those wins should convert to losses because 1 loss could be the deciding factor in a team’s seeding or advancing to the playoffs

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Anonymous wrote:Ohhhhh there it is! Time for the race-baiting. You always pull that out when your arguments fail.

You never answered the question about all the private school and DC kids and where they resided last spring.

You can deny racism/white supremacy all you want, but it is a part of the equation.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohhhhh there it is! Time for the race-baiting. You always pull that out when your arguments fail.

You never answered the question about all the private school and DC kids and where they resided last spring.

You can deny racism/white supremacy all you want, but it is a part of the equation.

LOL. No. There is nothing racist about expecting someone to follow the rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Ohhhhh there it is! Time for the race-baiting. You always pull that out when your arguments fail.

You never answered the question about all the private school and DC kids and where they resided last spring.

You can deny racism/white supremacy all you want, but it is a part of the equation.

LOL. No. There is nothing racist about expecting someone to follow the rules.

Right, he probably could have gotten away with it had he not made the dramatic changes at such scale and in such a short amount of time. There is no correlation between being a successful football coach and having an above average IQ. But, football coaches are more prone to making poor judgments and operating in the ethical gray zone because they are focused on winning and outcomes, and the ones with lower IQs are more susceptible to finding themselves in the situation Overton is currently in.