Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Your sentence structure leaves a bit to be desired.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is all about recruiting. Inside sources are saying the VHSL has in their possession multiple texts and emails of Hayfield coaching staff members communicating with players from across the state and in others states about transferring to Hayfield.

So again Reid’s support that she qualified by saying her position based on the information/reports she was provided and that until contrary evidence found, she was supporting coach and principal. Guess the VHSL better at finding the contrary evidence than the 400 hour FCPS investigation.

How much did FCPS pay for this investigation?

400 lawyer hours aren't cheap.

As a taxpayer, I want my money back.

I think she was just counting staff hours but they are paid a salary so...not really an extra cost.

The staff isn't doing anything useful anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is all about recruiting. Inside sources are saying the VHSL has in their possession multiple texts and emails of Hayfield coaching staff members communicating with players from across the state and in others states about transferring to Hayfield.

So again Reid’s support that she qualified by saying her position based on the information/reports she was provided and that until contrary evidence found, she was supporting coach and principal. Guess the VHSL better at finding the contrary evidence than the 400 hour FCPS investigation.

How much did FCPS pay for this investigation?

400 lawyer hours aren't cheap.

As a taxpayer, I want my money back.

I think she was just counting staff hours but they are paid a salary so...not really an extra cost.

Didn't they hire and pay the "independent" person in charge of the investigation? If that person was paid, they need to refund their pay back to FCPS as a complete failure.

Read to me the attorney they hired was after the investigation and not in charge of it.

The person they hired and paid did not do any of her own work. She looked at what FCPS staff did and signed off on it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The Apostle Karen instagram confirmed for me that Overton is only about Overton football- she posted after the recent Hayfield loss that was first loss since 2021 and that ended their 37 game winning streak. Clearly that post was not about Hayfield and that local community and the local kids that go there. It was about a coach’s record with his handpicked traveling team.

Who wrote the article him or the IG lady, how for are folks willing to reach lol, doesn’t even sound plausible

The IG lady claims to be a "coach" and the team preacher and posts videos from the sidelines where you cannot be without permission from the coach.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Your sentence structure leaves a bit to be desired.

Are you claiming that all 4 private school transfers from DeMatha, St John's and Ireton all already just happened to live within the Hayfield boundary already? And just all spontaneously decided to attend public school this year on their own with no communications with the coachong staff?

[Anonymous]

The kid who went to public school in DC last year also just happened to already live in Hayfield zone?

[Anonymous]

Lordy I hope that desperate Overton fan isn't a teacher. That's barely English.

[Anonymous]

The staff who spent 400 hours on this without working a minute past quitting time clearly could be reassigned to help out at schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is all about recruiting. Inside sources are saying the VHSL has in their possession multiple texts and emails of Hayfield coaching staff members communicating with players from across the state and in others states about transferring to Hayfield.

So again Reid’s support that she qualified by saying her position based on the information/reports she was provided and that until contrary evidence found, she was supporting coach and principal. Guess the VHSL better at finding the contrary evidence than the 400 hour FCPS investigation.

How much did FCPS pay for this investigation?

400 lawyer hours aren't cheap.

As a taxpayer, I want my money back.

I think she was just counting staff hours but they are paid a salary so...not really an extra cost.

Didn't they hire and pay the "independent" person in charge of the investigation? If that person was paid, they need to refund their pay back to FCPS as a complete failure.

Read to me the attorney they hired was after the investigation and not in charge of it.

The person they hired and paid did not do any of her own work. She looked at what FCPS staff did and signed off on it.

Garbage in, garbage out.
How much did they pay her?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

Adding Reid said at one point that FCPS looks at residency and VHSL looks at eligibility. So maybe FCPS cleared that the kids lived where they said so they could be enrolled and then just waited on VHSL to say 27-9 violation and took this long?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

That’s why, historically, star athletes transfer for niche courses their school doesn’t offer like Latin or French, and then they suddenly make the varsity basketball team or field hockey team. There are also no incriminating texts or emails. Maybe unrecorded conversations among friends, athletes, and parents, but that’s it.

The coaches are innocent and typically say they only judge the talent of those athletes that show up at their school for practice, green days, tryouts. The school staff vets residency reqs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

That’s why, historically, star athletes transfer for niche courses their school doesn’t offer like Latin or French, and then they suddenly make the varsity basketball team or field hockey team. There are also no incriminating texts or emails. Maybe unrecorded conversations among friends, athletes, and parents, but that’s it.

The coaches are innocent and typically say they only judge the talent of those athletes that show up at their school for practice, green days, tryouts. The school staff vets residency reqs.

FCPS allows transfers for languages, it is one of the only permissible ways to transfer and it has to be to the closest school to your residence that offers Latin, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

Adding Reid said at one point that FCPS looks at residency and VHSL looks at eligibility. So maybe FCPS cleared that the kids lived where they said so they could be enrolled and then just waited on VHSL to say 27-9 violation and took this long?

VHSL has stricter residency rules than FCPS. FCPS is super lax. VHSL requires a bona fide residence--.the entire family has to actually move and they don't put up with BS like homeless claims.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If there were ineligible kids it’s not the coaches fault. It’s the athletic directors job to determine which students are eligible to play and the schools registers job to determine who can enroll. The only way Overton is in the wrong, is if he has been caught recruiting.

Its so obvious that he recruited 20+ kids.

How is it obvious if not one person has come forward to substantiate this. Option is NOT fact. When kids transfer to Madison for baseball is it a problem, don’t say they don’t or haven’t, if he decided to take another job at another school, if those parents decided to want to move their kids not yours it’s on them, now everyone wants to scream illegal, kids that went to Private schools that lived in hayfield district to begin with, now go back to hayfield folks try and use word play to say he’s recruiting from private schools that have to be paid for to public schools that are free

Given the VHSL decision, sounds to me a lot more than one person came forward with damaging info even if they didn’t mean to. While principal and coach were cleared by Reid (until as she said contrary evidence presented), VHSL looks at more than head coach and that is likely what happened here. A recruiting violation can come from actions/emails/posts by people outside school and doesn’t have to be the coach. Virginia High School League's (VHSL) Proselytizing Rule, Rule 27-9, prohibits recruiting students to transfer schools for athletic reasons.

That’s why, historically, star athletes transfer for niche courses their school doesn’t offer like Latin or French, and then they suddenly make the varsity basketball team or field hockey team. There are also no incriminating texts or emails. Maybe unrecorded conversations among friends, athletes, and parents, but that’s it.

The coaches are innocent and typically say they only judge the talent of those athletes that show up at their school for practice, green days, tryouts. The school staff vets residency reqs.

I said this back in august but everyone knew it was happening all the way through gatehouse. Everyone knows it happens at other schools throughout the state but like you said the way to skirt is find a loophole. Before your comment someone mentioned probably someone else talked which means the old coaching boys fraternity sacrificed one of their own to insulate themselves from similar inquiry. I knew that if it got to vhsl that was what would happen. They’ll be happy to sell out one of their own if it means they can keep getting away with it. Hayfield and Overton get slammed and vhsl looks like they absolutely took care of business. The rest of the state plays it close to the chest for 2-3 years and then the cycle starts up again.

I will also say that when you are team accused of cheating and and recruiting. One of the worst things you can is run up the score in every game you play. Especially in northern Virginia, you can run it up if you’re clean but if you know you’re dirty, beating the living crap out of opponents just puts a big target on you. In addition, you don’t put an out of conference out of state game on your schedule unless you know you will win. The riverdale Baptist game they lose and the article is still mentioning the recruiting cheating. Plus the score run ups. Overton said I got away with it in prince William so I’ll do it in fcps too! But freedom Woodbridge is not the same as hayfield and pwcs is not the same as fcps. Hey maybe they would’ve lost in the playoffs now we won’t know but I have a feeling if they don’t schedule riverdale baptist and keep the score line competitive, vhsl does end up taking the hard look it did because whoever the coaching frat whistleblower was doesn’t come forward.