TJ Falls to 14th in the Nation Per US News

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity

The admission rates for the various cohorts aren't all that different. The composition is mostly a reflection of who is applying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
ACCEPTANCE RATE:
After the admissions change, Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups:
Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold
increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."


No discrimination.

Thanks for clearing this up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
ACCEPTANCE RATE:
After the admissions change, Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups:
Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold
increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."


No discrimination.

Thanks for clearing this up.

Yep just welfare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

It roughly approximates the applicant pool.
Most of the applicant pool is asian.

I haven't been able to find data on the applicant pool for more recent years but the first year after the change,:
Asians were 51% of the pool and 54% of admitted students
Blacks were 9% of the pool and 7% of the admitted students
Hispanics were 10% of the pool and 11% of admitted students
Whites were 24% of the pool and 22% of admitted students
Multiracial were 7% of the pool and 5 % of admitted students

The year before change:
Asians 56% of the pool and 73% of admitted students
Blacks were 6% of the pool and 2% of admitted students
Hispanics were 8% of the pool and 3% of admitted students
Whites were 23% of the pool and 18% of admitted students
Multiracial were 6% of the pool and 6% of admitted students

This process was driven by a desire to create racial balance at TJ.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
ACCEPTANCE RATE:
After the admissions change, Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups:
Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold
increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."


No discrimination.

Thanks for clearing this up.

Asian admissions went down.
White admissions went up.

That was the intended consequence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
ACCEPTANCE RATE:
After the admissions change, Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups:
Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold
increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."


No discrimination.

Thanks for clearing this up.

Asian admissions went down.
White admissions went up.

That was the intended consequence.

Give this nonsense a rest please.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity

Of course, obviously, it's drastically different due to simple math of proportions. If you somehow got 1400 Black kids to apply then there would be over 1000 Black kids denied. The reason Asians have such high rejection is that they are completely an outlier in the number of applications to begin with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:0.6%, <1%, of the class of 2024 came from a low-income family.

They wanted to eliminate the inequitable admissions process.

And look who benefited the most - Asian students from low-income families.

They wanted to balance race. This is clear from the email and text traffic between the FCPS board members. And in the process...

Asian admissions dropped even as the class size grew larger.
White admissions rose the most.

Between the last year under the old system and the most recent class:
white admissions rose by 54 (more than all other racial groups combined)
black admissions rose by 12
hispanic admissiosns rose by 25
multiracial rose by 7
asian admissions dropped by 40

To be fair the county is mostly white so if are trying to be more representative of the county you are going to get more white kids.
But you are selecting for race not merit.

should it be more representative of the demographic makeup of the county or the applications? If 95% of the applications for varsity ice hockey team are white students, or if 95% of the applications to high school basketball team are black students, or if 95% of the applications to math counts team are asian students, should the selected make-up in each of those teams still be based on county racial composition?

If they did it based on applications, that would lower the current # of Asian students, as they are admitted at a higher rate than average.

are you sure?
from another thread... denied % as well as count appears to be drastically different based on student ethnicity

Yes, this is just basic math.

For the class of 2025, Asian students were admitted at a rate of 19%, higher than average.

If they were admitted at the average rate, 18%, then there would be 20 fewer Asian students admitted.

[Anonymous]

Updated graphs/data that illustrate no discrimination.


6. COURT RULED THERE IS NO DISCRIMINATION AGAINST ASIAN STUDENTS
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
Pg 7
“we are satisfied that the challenged admissions policy does not disparately impact Asian American students”

SCOTUS left ruling in place:
https://virginiamercury.com/2024/02/20/supreme-court-wont-hear-thomas-jefferson-admissions-case/



7. THE DATA BACKS THIS UP:

There are MORE Asian students at TJ since the admissions change than almost any other year in the school’s history.

Asian students still make up the majority of students. More than all other groups, combined.

And Asian students are still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups, aside from Hispanic students (class of 25).

The number of Asian students enrolled at TJ by school year (fall):


The data also shows that Asian students were accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups, aside from Hispanic students.

Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

Admissions data:




8. LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."

that is a 5000% increase

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
ACCEPTANCE RATE:
After the admissions change, Asian students were still accepted at a higher rate than almost all other groups:
Asian 19%
Black 14%
Hispanic 21%
White 17%
Multiracial/Other* 13%
ALL 18%

LOW-INCOME ASIAN STUDENTS BENEFITED THE MOST FROM CHANGES
https://www.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinions/221280.P.pdf
page 16
"Nevertheless, in the 2021 application cycle, Asian American students attending middle schools historically underrepresented at TJ saw a sixfold
increase in offers, and the number of low-income Asian American admittees to TJ increased to 51 — from a mere one in 2020."


No discrimination.

Great detail!

[Anonymous]

I think the unfortunate issue here are the academic results that are rolling in with the new process. Scores are much lower on SOLs and PSATs and achieved Math.

It also shows the new system isn’t selecting for geniuses that were left out because rich kids gamed the admissions. It actually confirms that the previous admits were just academically better students… in many areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think the unfortunate issue here are the academic results that are rolling in with the new process. Scores are much lower on SOLs and PSATs and achieved Math.

It also shows the new system isn’t selecting for geniuses that were left out because rich kids gamed the admissions. It actually confirms that the previous admits were just academically better students… in many areas.

They were better test takers, no doubt about it - because the previous process overselected for test taking ability. It's no more complicated than that.

Doesn't mean they are necessarily smarter or more deserving of the opportunities that TJ provides, and it certainly doesn't mean that TJ was a better academic environment before.

[Anonymous]

If the high school ranking is just about selective admissions then who cares? Isn’t the school kind of irrelevant at that point?