Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:What does amber being abusive have to do with the trial? Isn’t his contention that she lied in the op Ed and it cost him opportunities?

As has been said in the thread repeatedly, he is going forward with this case to expose her behavior. It’s not about the story that she wrote.

That’s not a cause of action though. If he wanted to expose her actions he could’ve written a book or an article.

Or sat down with a new outlet. All those would have paid him rather than the millions he's paying.

This whole thing smacks of trying to punish his ex (who has to accrue her own legal fees) and it's not a good look.

A book or an interview doesn’t require her to answer his claims. Dragging it out in court makes her have to defend herself.

A bit of a Pyrrhic victory though. These trials have confirmed he cheated on Vanessa with this nut and he’s on a seemingly un-hireable amount of drugs.

I’ve said from the beginning of this thread that he just doesn’t care what this does to him/his reputation. His sole focus is embarrassing her and getting revenge.

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Wtf is a red piller?

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf is a red piller?

It is a general term for a group of men who believe that men are the truly downtrodden gender. That women are elevated in society and treated like queens while men have to swallow their pride and desires and respect to cater to women trying to control them. It is a reference to an old scene in the matrix where neo has to choose the red pill to 'wake up' from the illusion of the life around him. They say that the narrative feminists have constructed about women in society is all designed to convince men to feel bad about themselves and men need to take the red pill and 'wake up' and see their value.

It is not an idea ENTIRELY without merit, in that men should be confident and take control of their lives. But in execution it is generally at the expense of women and they are an incredibly misogynistic group of people who will, for example swear that the woman got the promotion they were vying for solely because she's a woman and society is giving her a leg up rather than that she earned it.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf is a red piller?

It is a general term for a group of men who believe that men are the truly downtrodden gender. That women are elevated in society and treated like queens while men have to swallow their pride and desires and respect to cater to women trying to control them. It is a reference to an old scene in the matrix where neo has to choose the red pill to 'wake up' from the illusion of the life around him. They say that the narrative feminists have constructed about women in society is all designed to convince men to feel bad about themselves and men need to take the red pill and 'wake up' and see their value.

It is not an idea ENTIRELY without merit, in that men should be confident and take control of their lives. But in execution it is generally at the expense of women and they are an incredibly misogynistic group of people who will, for example swear that the woman got the promotion they were vying for solely because she's a woman and society is giving her a leg up rather than that she earned it.

Nerds are ruining this world.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf is a red piller?

It is a general term for a group of men who believe that men are the truly downtrodden gender. That women are elevated in society and treated like queens while men have to swallow their pride and desires and respect to cater to women trying to control them. It is a reference to an old scene in the matrix where neo has to choose the red pill to 'wake up' from the illusion of the life around him. They say that the narrative feminists have constructed about women in society is all designed to convince men to feel bad about themselves and men need to take the red pill and 'wake up' and see their value.

It is not an idea ENTIRELY without merit, in that men should be confident and take control of their lives. But in execution it is generally at the expense of women and they are an incredibly misogynistic group of people who will, for example swear that the woman got the promotion they were vying for solely because she's a woman and society is giving her a leg up rather than that she earned it.

Nerds are ruining this world.

I'm the PP, I hate red pillers, but I don't hate nerds. I'm married to a nerd. A feminist male nerd! They would say he's a beta man for that. They would be wrong. One can be a nerd without being an ahole.

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The butler is testifying. If only we could have Mr. Carson provide testimony

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Anonymous wrote:The butler is testifying. If only we could have Mr. Carson provide testimony

His calm demeanor and lovely accent is soothing. He’s a very good witness.

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Anonymous wrote:Wtf is a red piller?

It is a general term for a group of men who believe that men are the truly downtrodden gender. That women are elevated in society and treated like queens while men have to swallow their pride and desires and respect to cater to women trying to control them. It is a reference to an old scene in the matrix where neo has to choose the red pill to 'wake up' from the illusion of the life around him. They say that the narrative feminists have constructed about women in society is all designed to convince men to feel bad about themselves and men need to take the red pill and 'wake up' and see their value.

It is not an idea ENTIRELY without merit, in that men should be confident and take control of their lives. But in execution it is generally at the expense of women and they are an incredibly misogynistic group of people who will, for example swear that the woman got the promotion they were vying for solely because she's a woman and society is giving her a leg up rather than that she earned it.

Thanks! I never saw the matrix so I had absolutely no idea. I was thinking it was some Depp reference.

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As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah.

During Me Too movement there wasn't any media that would even consider a possibility of a man being abused in a relationship with a woman. There still isn't. It would be extremely risky to air an interview like that.
He will look bad after this trial or a bit worse. But, she'll look 100% worse than how she was percieved when she wrote that article.

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Lolllll! Heard’s attorney cross-examining this lovely butler witness just asked a question and then yelled “objection!”to the answer. The judge’s baffled “But you asked the question!”was utter gold.

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As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah.

During Me Too movement there wasn't any media that would even consider a possibility of a man being abused in a relationship with a woman. There still isn't. It would be extremely risky to air an interview like that.
He will look bad after this trial or a bit worse. But, she'll look 100% worse than how she was percieved when she wrote that article.

Tell that to Louis CK, he just won a grammy BTW.

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Anonymous wrote:As a PP said, a better course of action may have been to write his own Op Eds denying that he physically abused her. Had he done that and not sued The Sun or Heard, the attention would not still be on this, and he could have cleaned up his act and maybe done more films, if that's what he wanted to do. To say they were not good together is an understatement, but he did manage to have a long-term relationship before this one.

Her article came out in the middle of "me too" movement. Him writing his side would be a terrible idea. Context and timing is everything.

Agree, a written defense would have been a terrible idea. I am almost never inclined to believe the accused man, but in this case it is absolutely clear that she abused him mentally and physically. Was he a good partner? No. Did he verbally abuse her? Certainly. But she is certainly the worse of the two.

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Anonymous wrote:As a PP said, a better course of action may have been to write his own Op Eds denying that he physically abused her. Had he done that and not sued The Sun or Heard, the attention would not still be on this, and he could have cleaned up his act and maybe done more films, if that's what he wanted to do. To say they were not good together is an understatement, but he did manage to have a long-term relationship before this one.

Her article came out in the middle of "me too" movement. Him writing his side would be a terrible idea. Context and timing is everything.

Agree, a written defense would have been a terrible idea. I am almost never inclined to believe the accused man, but in this case it is absolutely clear that she abused him mentally and physically. Was he a good partner? No. Did he verbally abuse her? Certainly. But she is certainly the worse of the two.

And people would have accused him of having softball questions. And “why didn’t he sue if it was untrue?”would likely have been tossed around.

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Anonymous wrote:As a PP said, a better course of action may have been to write his own Op Eds denying that he physically abused her. Had he done that and not sued The Sun or Heard, the attention would not still be on this, and he could have cleaned up his act and maybe done more films, if that's what he wanted to do. To say they were not good together is an understatement, but he did manage to have a long-term relationship before this one.

Her article came out in the middle of "me too" movement. Him writing his side would be a terrible idea. Context and timing is everything.

Agree, a written defense would have been a terrible idea. I am almost never inclined to believe the accused man, but in this case it is absolutely clear that she abused him mentally and physically. Was he a good partner? No. Did he verbally abuse her? Certainly. But she is certainly the worse of the two.

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My feelings exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

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They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

You know its weird in no argument has anyone been able to escalate me to screaming and breaking stuff. My husband either.

Are either of you on drugs?

Who cares?! Is this an excuse now for abuse? He needs to grow the f* up. He's an old man and it's time to accept the responsibility for his behavior.