Johnny Depp trial in Fairfax County

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

+1. Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

+1 to all this. His behavior in these cases is actually textbook. It's super common for abusers to use the legal system to keep their victims under their control and harass them further.

Again, if you haven't read the op Ed he's suing on, go read it. You'll see why this case is a complete joke.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

You know its weird in no argument has anyone been able to escalate me to screaming and breaking stuff. My husband either.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

You know its weird in no argument has anyone been able to escalate me to screaming and breaking stuff. My husband either.

People might not remember but women online said stuff like "I'd let Chris Brown hit me". Celebrity worship does some weird stuff.

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Well, she is definitely not coming off great today, but even given all of this, this case is supposed to be about the op-ed, which, as noted above, is fairly benign. I do not believe she is some innocent victim. I think she is probably a horrible human being. But I just don’t see how this is strong enough to be defamation but again I’m not an expert.

I did see an article where legal “experts” lauded his direct testimony ands even how he held up under cross. They were critical of her attorneys. But even with all that, in the end, they were forced to admit he would probably not win the case. So I don’t know what Depp actually expects out of this.

It feels like he wants to re-do the “wife-beater” case he lost in the UK. To be honest if this was about the phrase “wife-beater” I think he would have a good shot to win at this point. But it’s not.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

+1 to all this. His behavior in these cases is actually textbook. It's super common for abusers to use the legal system to keep their victims under their control and harass them further.

Again, if you haven't read the op Ed he's suing on, go read it. You'll see why this case is a complete joke.

Also agree with this, especially the comment PP above is agreeing with. Her op ed was very vague and it's clear that JD's behavior on set and inability at times to do the job he had been hired for had been problematic for some time. Heard wrote an article about how the consequences for male and females involved in domestic violence incidents are different and look at the result - she has been put on trial for it, literally, for writing an op ed piece. Depp lost in the UK where the legal standard is easier and he STILL brought this case in the US. As PP says above, the reason is clear:

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly."), as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

+1 to all this. His behavior in these cases is actually textbook. It's super common for abusers to use the legal system to keep their victims under their control and harass them further.

Again, if you haven't read the op Ed he's suing on, go read it. You'll see why this case is a complete joke.

Also agree with this, especially the comment PP above is agreeing with. Her op ed was very vague and it's clear that JD's behavior on set and inability at times to do the job he had been hired for had been problematic for some time. Heard wrote an article about how the consequences for male and females involved in domestic violence incidents are different and look at the result - she has been put on trial for it, literally, for writing an op ed piece. Depp lost in the UK where the legal standard is easier and he STILL brought this case in the US. As PP says above, the reason is clear:

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly."), as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

Hi - I'm PP who wrote what you quoted ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly.")
Maybe you didn't read my whole post, but I was commenting as a casual observer and just came across it on TikTok live today. I'm not trying to "claim" anything -- I'm just telling you my sense of this dispute and why I am more sympathetic to Johnny Depp even though I'm not a "red piller." So feel free to calm down and un-blow your mind, thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, she is definitely not coming off great today, but even given all of this, this case is supposed to be about the op-ed, which, as noted above, is fairly benign. I do not believe she is some innocent victim. I think she is probably a horrible human being. But I just don’t see how this is strong enough to be defamation but again I’m not an expert.

I did see an article where legal “experts” lauded his direct testimony ands even how he held up under cross. They were critical of her attorneys. But even with all that, in the end, they were forced to admit he would probably not win the case. So I don’t know what Depp actually expects out of this.

It feels like he wants to re-do the “wife-beater” case he lost in the UK. To be honest if this was about the phrase “wife-beater” I think he would have a good shot to win at this point. But it’s not.

Exactly. He lost on the UK and the allegations were very specific.

If the jury believe at least he threw a phone at her, she wins. Who cares how many times or if she abused him too.

And no way they find 50m in damages even if he wins the other issues.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

+1 to all this. His behavior in these cases is actually textbook. It's super common for abusers to use the legal system to keep their victims under their control and harass them further.

Again, if you haven't read the op Ed he's suing on, go read it. You'll see why this case is a complete joke.

Also agree with this, especially the comment PP above is agreeing with. Her op ed was very vague and it's clear that JD's behavior on set and inability at times to do the job he had been hired for had been problematic for some time. Heard wrote an article about how the consequences for male and females involved in domestic violence incidents are different and look at the result - she has been put on trial for it, literally, for writing an op ed piece. Depp lost in the UK where the legal standard is easier and he STILL brought this case in the US. As PP says above, the reason is clear:

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly."), as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

Hi - I'm PP who wrote what you quoted ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly.")
Maybe you didn't read my whole post, but I was commenting as a casual observer and just came across it on TikTok live today. I'm not trying to "claim" anything -- I'm just telling you my sense of this dispute and why I am more sympathetic to Johnny Depp even though I'm not a "red piller." So feel free to calm down and un-blow your mind, thanks.

I'm the pp who responded to you directly about how your impression that "she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side" is insane to me considering he has been doing exactly that now for far longer than she has.

I don't think you were trying to claim anything, but I think your defensiveness and perspective shows that the red pillers on reddit have been doing their job. In a story where a couple had a dramatic violent end, she wrote a vague op ed and he took on years of costly, humiliating and pointless lawsuits who's only logical goal is her embarrassment and ruin and yet your impression as someone not paying much attention is that she is the one who has been trying to take him down instead of admitting her faults. Consider yourself successfully spun.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

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They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

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They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

+1 to all this. His behavior in these cases is actually textbook. It's super common for abusers to use the legal system to keep their victims under their control and harass them further.

Again, if you haven't read the op Ed he's suing on, go read it. You'll see why this case is a complete joke.

Also agree with this, especially the comment PP above is agreeing with. Her op ed was very vague and it's clear that JD's behavior on set and inability at times to do the job he had been hired for had been problematic for some time. Heard wrote an article about how the consequences for male and females involved in domestic violence incidents are different and look at the result - she has been put on trial for it, literally, for writing an op ed piece. Depp lost in the UK where the legal standard is easier and he STILL brought this case in the US. As PP says above, the reason is clear:

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly."), as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

Hi - I'm PP who wrote what you quoted ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly.")
Maybe you didn't read my whole post, but I was commenting as a casual observer and just came across it on TikTok live today. I'm not trying to "claim" anything -- I'm just telling you my sense of this dispute and why I am more sympathetic to Johnny Depp even though I'm not a "red piller." So feel free to calm down and un-blow your mind, thanks.

I'm the pp who responded to you directly about how your impression that "she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side" is insane to me considering he has been doing exactly that now for far longer than she has.

I don't think you were trying to claim anything, but I think your defensiveness and perspective shows that the red pillers on reddit have been doing their job. In a story where a couple had a dramatic violent end, she wrote a vague op ed and he took on years of costly, humiliating and pointless lawsuits who's only logical goal is her embarrassment and ruin and yet your impression as someone not paying much attention is that she is the one who has been trying to take him down instead of admitting her faults. Consider yourself successfully spun.

What in the world are you talking about with these "red pillers on reddit"? Who said anything about reddit? You sound almost as unhinged as Amber apparently is.

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Anonymous wrote:What does amber being abusive have to do with the trial? Isn’t his contention that she lied in the op Ed and it cost him opportunities?

As has been said in the thread repeatedly, he is going forward with this case to expose her behavior. It’s not about the story that she wrote.

That’s not a cause of action though. If he wanted to expose her actions he could’ve written a book or an article.

Or sat down with a new outlet. All those would have paid him rather than the millions he's paying.

This whole thing smacks of trying to punish his ex (who has to accrue her own legal fees) and it's not a good look.

A book or an interview doesn’t require her to answer his claims. Dragging it out in court makes her have to defend herself.

A bit of a Pyrrhic victory though. These trials have confirmed he cheated on Vanessa with this nut and he’s on a seemingly un-hireable amount of drugs.

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

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They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

I don't think that's true. I am FAR from a red puller and a casual observer of this situation (I see tweets and watched part of today's proceeding sbecause it came up on TikTok live). It definitely seems like it was a mutually abusive relationship. However, it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side.

She wrote a vague op ed that did not name him. He has pursued multiple legal avenues designed to humiliate her, get her fired, and drag her through the mud while dragging himself along with her. I agree that it seems like it was mutually abusive. But here we are, 5 years later, and only one of them is still beating this into the earth.

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded, as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

+1 to all this. His behavior in these cases is actually textbook. It's super common for abusers to use the legal system to keep their victims under their control and harass them further.

Again, if you haven't read the op Ed he's suing on, go read it. You'll see why this case is a complete joke.

Also agree with this, especially the comment PP above is agreeing with. Her op ed was very vague and it's clear that JD's behavior on set and inability at times to do the job he had been hired for had been problematic for some time. Heard wrote an article about how the consequences for male and females involved in domestic violence incidents are different and look at the result - she has been put on trial for it, literally, for writing an op ed piece. Depp lost in the UK where the legal standard is easier and he STILL brought this case in the US. As PP says above, the reason is clear:

As someone else said, he WAS Johnny freaking Depp. He could have cleaned up, set up his big Diane Sawyer sit down and talked about how he was abused and ruined by a crazy woman blah blah blah. She probably would be blackballed if he was functional because he was a very powerful hollywood player when he was making studios money instead of costing them money. He would say he was back on the wagon ready to work, apologize for his behavior publicly for the last few years and talk about the dangers of toxic relationships etc and he would have been paid money, rehabbed his rep, and we'd all be talking about the reboot of the pirates franchise.

Instead he has driven himself into backruptcy trying to do this in court via cases that are doomed to fail because her actions do not meet the LEGAL standards for these crimes. Defamation is WAY easier to prove in the UK and he lost. Why? Because he hates her and wants to look her in the face while he humiliates her. It is the ONLY logical reason. This is actively hurting him as well. So it blows my mind that people are claiming the bolded ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly."), as this is EXACTLY what he is doing now and has been doing at this point for years.

Hi - I'm PP who wrote what you quoted ("it also seems like after they fell apart, she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly.")
Maybe you didn't read my whole post, but I was commenting as a casual observer and just came across it on TikTok live today. I'm not trying to "claim" anything -- I'm just telling you my sense of this dispute and why I am more sympathetic to Johnny Depp even though I'm not a "red piller." So feel free to calm down and un-blow your mind, thanks.

I'm the pp who responded to you directly about how your impression that "she tried to take him down rather than realizing that they were both wrong and ending it quietly. That seems pretty shitty and makes me more sympathetic to his side" is insane to me considering he has been doing exactly that now for far longer than she has.

I don't think you were trying to claim anything, but I think your defensiveness and perspective shows that the red pillers on reddit have been doing their job. In a story where a couple had a dramatic violent end, she wrote a vague op ed and he took on years of costly, humiliating and pointless lawsuits who's only logical goal is her embarrassment and ruin and yet your impression as someone not paying much attention is that she is the one who has been trying to take him down instead of admitting her faults. Consider yourself successfully spun.

What in the world are you talking about with these "red pillers on reddit"? Who said anything about reddit? You sound almost as unhinged as Amber apparently is.

A response like this tells me you know exactly what I'm talking about Steve in your mom's basement

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Anonymous wrote:I was just at a party and people started talking about the trial.

Everyone was sympathetic to Johnny and thought Amber was lying. Men and women alike.

To me, It shows how we are all socialized to be more sympathetic to protecting men’s feelings and dignity than women’s. They both behaved badly but she is being blamed for everything in the toxic relationship. He was twice her age when they met, consumed mind boggling amounts of alcohol and drugs for decades, and is not taking any responsibility for his part in the mess. He had other ways of redressing his sense of being wronged than dragging them both through a public trial.

I am arguing with my teenage daughter trying to get her to see how unfair it is to blame everything on Amber. DD and her friends think Amber is to blame for ruining his illustrious career while I believe he did that in his own. Amber’s career and reputation has been savaged as well. DD tells me that the internet is siding with Johnny.

The world wants a villain (preferably female), while shared culpability, pesky details and nuance just get get in the way of one sided story telling.

I disagree. We are only now hearing Depp’s side of things while Amber’s take has been out there for over 5 years. This is the first time people really got the opportunity to compare what went on in that relationship from both Amber and Jonny’s perspective.

+1

They’re both nuts. No one heard Depp’s side up until now.

What are you talking about Twitter has been pushing Depp's side for months. I agree with the other PP that its revolting people are acting like he's an innocent. AT BEST he is a drunken drug addict who left the mother of his children to date a hot crazy chick in her 20s and engaged in a mutually abusive relationship with her. That is the BEST possible interpretation of his behavior.

Only the red pillers are supporting him.

Who knew there were so many female red pillers People support him because he's open about his lifestyle and addictions, he seems genuine. People don't support Amber because she presents herself as a morally superior victim, who was calculated enough to escalate arguments and put her camera and audio on.

You know its weird in no argument has anyone been able to escalate me to screaming and breaking stuff. My husband either.

Are either of you on drugs?