ECNL moving to school year part 2

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You're in denial. It's probably because the NJ posters are also challenging you, including people saying how those clubs who will "try" to align by grade really aren't.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You're in denial. It's probably because the NJ posters are also challenging you, including people saying how those clubs who will "try" to align by grade really aren't.

Wow, what are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You're in denial. It's probably because the NJ posters are also challenging you, including people saying how those clubs who will "try" to align by grade really aren't.

Wow, what are you talking about?

There's a new thread over on Talking Soccer NJ ... Aug guy/or someone with strikingly similar views is getting similar pushback there. At one point, he/she even references our lengthy thread here and how there's a whole grand cabal trying to convince Aug parents that playing on age is OK.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

Yea, grouping Aug birthdays on their grade in school team solves 99% of the issues with GY. Unfortunately some of the July cutoff districts might have a couple that cant play with their grade in school. But that would effect like .000001% of the players out there. Also not having regrades makes things better for paying customers ie parents because clubs cant roster (older) ringers on your team for wins taking your kids minutes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

It's all fine if people want to do that and are happy with the team they get on. Lots of other people are willing to play on age, regardless of grade, if they can make an A team. And that's the point that 95% of posters agree -- that people can and should do what's best for them and their kid rather than trying to force things in any direction.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

Yea, grouping Aug birthdays on their grade in school team solves 99% of the issues with GY. Unfortunately some of the July cutoff districts might have a couple that cant play with their grade in school. But that would effect like .000001% of the players out there. Also not having regrades makes things better for paying customers ie parents because clubs cant roster (older) ringers on your team for wins taking your kids minutes.

Except it doesn't, because parents don't always adhere to the cutoffs and there's a ton of summer birthdays who frankly no matter what are the new trapped players. There also are big issues with forcing kids to play up who are 13+ month younger than the oldest in the group, so in the end, you have teams with 2 grades anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You're in denial. It's probably because the NJ posters are also challenging you, including people saying how those clubs who will "try" to align by grade really aren't.

Wow, what are you talking about?

There's a new thread over on Talking Soccer NJ ... Aug guy/or someone with strikingly similar views is getting similar pushback there. At one point, he/she even references our lengthy thread here and how there's a whole grand cabal trying to convince Aug parents that playing on age is OK.

I just looked at New Jersey TS and what you're describing is not true. In fact there appears to be several people saying your posts are ridiculous. Which makes sense considering cutoff dates are late Sept and even into Nov in the NE. Meaning the amount of "August" players they have to deal with would be 2x or even 3x more than around here. It would be impossible to try and manage them all one by one you'd have to relay a single statement that everyone would abide by.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Showcases will be grad year not just with ECNL but all large college recruitment showcases. Showcases will have an olders U16-19 with rules that will essentially let players play with their school grade.

So if that’s going to happen it would make sense for players to just play with their school grade because they will have to for showcases.
But if players want to play with age group for regular games and then switch for showcases that’s up to them.

Seems like more of a headache because who knows if the older team will have room on the roster.

Not a headache, clubs tend to pick the oldest kids for top teams and young for lower teams. Best chance for top team is playing on age. College coaches don't care your age group.

Here I am thinking the best players got selected for top teams

And they tend to be the oldest in an age group because kids get better stronger faster as they age. If you need the basic stuff explained to you are aren't going to be able to keep up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You said untrue and then proceeded to list off exceptions.

There's only on perfect grade year system and it would ignore ages and there's one perfect age system and it ignores grades. US Soccer picked ages and choose to ignore grades.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You're in denial. It's probably because the NJ posters are also challenging you, including people saying how those clubs who will "try" to align by grade really aren't.

Wow, what are you talking about?

There's a new thread over on Talking Soccer NJ ... Aug guy/or someone with strikingly similar views is getting similar pushback there. At one point, he/she even references our lengthy thread here and how there's a whole grand cabal trying to convince Aug parents that playing on age is OK.

I just looked at New Jersey TS and what you're describing is not true. In fact there appears to be several people saying your posts are ridiculous. Which makes sense considering cutoff dates are late Sept and even into Nov in the NE. Meaning the amount of "August" players they have to deal with would be 2x or even 3x more than around here. It would be impossible to try and manage them all one by one you'd have to relay a single statement that everyone would abide by.

Lol. I'm not posting there. I'm just lurking, I guess.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

Won't work because clubs can't enforce grades without documents which don't exist and they don't want to handicap themselves against other teams by having younger players.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

Yea, grouping Aug birthdays on their grade in school team solves 99% of the issues with GY. Unfortunately some of the July cutoff districts might have a couple that cant play with their grade in school. But that would effect like .000001% of the players out there. Also not having regrades makes things better for paying customers ie parents because clubs cant roster (older) ringers on your team for wins taking your kids minutes.

Except it doesn't, because parents don't always adhere to the cutoffs and there's a ton of summer birthdays who frankly no matter what are the new trapped players. There also are big issues with forcing kids to play up who are 13+ month younger than the oldest in the group, so in the end, you have teams with 2 grades anyway.

Nobody cares about the regrades. They can play up in club or go to a private school and pretend to be a grade down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

You're in denial. It's probably because the NJ posters are also challenging you, including people saying how those clubs who will "try" to align by grade really aren't.

Wow, what are you talking about?

There's a new thread over on Talking Soccer NJ ... Aug guy/or someone with strikingly similar views is getting similar pushback there. At one point, he/she even references our lengthy thread here and how there's a whole grand cabal trying to convince Aug parents that playing on age is OK.

Funny, the grand cabal is a one man band trying to make his Sept girl the oldest in the age group for quite sometime. It is surprising that he hasn't found anyone to agree with him yet. Maybe he will in a few years or so.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have october and November kids on my sons team who will be in the higher grade than the age bracket.... Tuff spot as they wont make the new fist team with their grade. Seems like an unfair burden.

Why will they be with the higher grade? Is the school cut off date that late, or are they pretty advanced in school?

As you like to say, it's called reality. There is no perfect system with one grade unless you make it full GY.

Completely untrue...

SY with Aug birthdays playing up with their grade is almost like GY. The only players that arent allowed to roster are the very few school districts that start in July and the kids parents hold back in school so they're the biggest on sports teams. These kids cant play on the correct grade in school team. Everyone else can.

I like it.

You basically get GY but without regrades.

Won't work because clubs can't enforce grades without documents which don't exist and they don't want to handicap themselves against other teams by having younger players.

You dont need to enforce anything.

Clubs dont want 9th grade players on 8th grade teams because they'll be gone for have the season playing High School soccer.

Parents want Aug birthdays playing on the correct grade in school team for college recruiting purposes.

The "problem" solves itself when Aug birthdays play on their correct grade in school team.