Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?
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Anonymous
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If Floyd had just cooperated" is the most sickening theme running through this entire discussion.
I'm preparing for a "not guilty" verdict. Guess it will be payback for OJ. |
Anonymous
Payback? That is disgusting. These are human lives. |
Anonymous
DP...That is a valid question. All POC are not in the same slave ship. So don't try to act like they are. No one asked you what "shade of dark" you are. You know exactly what the poster was asking, so don't try to act all innocent and inflame folks. You inserted the POC comment to begin with. The "gross" started with you. |
Anonymous
LOL, you are so white. |
Anonymous
No, I’m not. If you were black or brown, you would know how disgusting and embedded in racial discrimination history the concept of “how dark are you” is. A) It does not matter how dark one is, POC of all shades are subject to racial injustices and the victims of racism. B) If you even consider or need to ask “what color are you” when someone says they are a POC, you are racist. |
Anonymous
As the jury should be aware, legally the question is NOT whether Chauvin was the "sole cause" of Floyd's death, but rather whether his actions were a "substantial causal factor." Someone else already pointed out that the necessary intent also isn't what a lot of you seem to think. Guess we all have to sit back and hope that the jury paid attention to what the judge told them the law is (rather than how the defense tried to obfuscate it). |
Anonymous
use of force has to be objectively reasonably throughout the restraint. Was it reasonable when he was clearly succumbing? Or when he continued to be held in prone restraint after he likely was no longer breathing and had no pulse? Because of work, all I've been able to watch are snippets and haven't seen the last few days (is there a link which has a compilation of witness testimony?). I noticed the debate upthread about signs like petechiae missing, don't know how that testimony went, but its absence does not have to mean death was not due to positional asphyxia. Just like being able to utter words does not mean breathing is not impaired. |
Anonymous
No - this is a key point - the question of reasonableness is no longer relevant to the charges after he was dead, which was far earlier than the end of nine minutes. The charges are for CAUSE of death. What happened after he stopped breathing is not relevant, even though disgusting. |
Anonymous
Floyd was prone. He was handcuffed. There was no way he could have gotten up. Chauvin was purposefully inflicting pain and proving his point: He could do whatever he wanted, because he had the power, and he wasn't going to answer to any bystanders. |
Anonymous
A man has terminal cancer and will die within a week. Are you allowed to shoot him with impunity? Feels the same to me. |
Anonymous
Sure you are. 
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Anonymous
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Since Floyd did not comply or cooperate with his arrest, complaining in the car that he was hurting and couldn’t breath, that skewed the police’s view of him if he was crying wolf when he said the same things on the ground. It would appear that he didn’t want to get arrested because he had drugs in his mouth, you can see it on the floor in the cruiser. It doesn’t excuse how he was treated once pulled to the ground, the use of force was excessive, and at no time did Chauvin render aid. I think it was a power trip for Chauvin and used his badge to show the bystanders he had the authority and there was no way they would tell him his job. I think he will be charged. As stated earlier, Chauvin wanted to keep him subdued until the EMT came. Did he intend for Floyd to die, I don’t think so, is he an idiot, yes. Does that mean Manslaughter or Second Degree? I also think Nelson will appeal on many grounds since the request for a mistrial was denied. I wonder if Chauvin will ever address the family and show remorse. |
Anonymous
Not really though. Did you watch the full video? When he was on his feet going into the cop car he kept screaming “i can’t breathe” “i can’t breath” “I’m going to die” “I’m going to die” over and over again. This is besides the point for this argument, but he then asked to be taken out of the car and put onto the ground. So the question is if he was already suffering something prior to the restraint that was causing his death and did cause his death. |
Anonymous
| You can see in the video that the other officers got off of Floyd but stayed kneeled next to him. It looks like they questioned what Chauvin was doing at the end but still deferred to him. Their body language shows worry, but they still did nothing. |
Anonymous
A panic attack, likely. He was afraid for his life. Given the outcome, that fear was justified. |