Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

That doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

Wait, I thought only white people could be racist because because “privilege” and “power structure” blah, blah, blah.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

That doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

Wait, I thought only white people could be racist because because “privilege” and “power structure” blah, blah, blah.

Fine, you’re just a bigot. Is that better?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

That doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

Wait, I thought only white people could be racist because because “privilege” and “power structure” blah, blah, blah.

Fine, you’re just a bigot. Is that better?

So if you don’t agree with the charges beyond a reasonable doubt you’re racist?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

What color? Is it a color that has been targeted by the police in this country since the 1600’s?

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

Sorry and I replied to your comment because i wanted to add that a shooting death is a whole different ballpark. The intent and reasonable consequence for shooting is totally different. And that is an unquestionable use of deadly force. Per the Minneapolis police handbook, what Chauvin did was not deadly force. And the intent and reasonableness of death as a consequence just has all sorts of reasonable doubt.

My comment was in response to "just don't fight the cops" That's a myth white people like to perpetuate (white women here).

Also, I live in Minneapolis and watched the whole trial. I think the prosecution did an outstanding job. His resistance earlier did not create reasonable doubt for the 9 minutes he was pinned down and repeatedly pleading for his life, with bystanders doing the same. Chauvin is guilty as hell.

If I fought the cops, I’d expect to be manhandled and face to the ground. There were even two blacks across the street watching, talking amongst themselves about him being stupid by not getting in the car and fighting. Does that mean he should be dead, no. But he may be alive today and he just complied.

Just curious, would you fight the cops?

This is the height of victim blaming. Nothing excuses what Chauvin did for over 9 minutes. Nothing.

[Anonymous]

Floyd was pulled out of the police squad car by Chauvin and then choked.

Sorry, but he’s guilty as hell

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the video tape, if they don’t convict here, cops have a license to kill black men. It’s absurd that people can watch the tape and think it’s anything but murder

100 % agree

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Anonymous wrote:Coming in late: death certificate says “homocide”, wth is the debate about???

Homicide, as they said earlier in the trial, isn't a legal designation or something that results in an automatic conviction. There are only a few options; "natural", "suicide", "homicide", "other" (am I missing one?). So the ME said homicide, but the defense is arguing that that's a medical opinion.

Homicide from a medical viewpoint doesn't imply intent or malice.

I thought the defense attorney did a great job explaining that and with his closing argument. I was a full guilty and now I could not convict. I am concentrating on the entire incident, not just the 9 minutes.

Same. His earnestness is a plus.

Agreed. Can be more effective than a polished performance

Same. I am an attorney and was very much in the guilty camp for at least the second and third offenses (I was always doubtful on the top charge). After hearing the defense’s closing arguments, i could not convict on any of the charges. I am flabbergasted at my change in view.

I am as well. I was a total guilty until today. I took out the emotion and studied the video from the officer’s camera, and didn’t just focus on the 9 minutes. It was eye opening, and I would not convict. I predict a hung jury and no retrial.

How about we kneel lightly on Chauvin's neck for 9 minutes and then let him go free.

It's protocol, right?

How about he get in the car and he would be alive?

He was having an anxiety attack. That’s not an excuse to kill him.

This. Black men can have them too, not just upstanding white people. He new this police interaction would kill him, and it did. He said it over and over again. He knew.

I’m not saying what Chauvin did was right. But, had Floyd just cooperated he wouldn’t be dead! He fought them because he was jacked up on drugs. He should have just gotten in the car. Not to say that what happened is right, it’s not. But just don’t fight the cops.

This should never have been a matter of life and death. Period. People cooperating with the cops get killed too. There is no excuse for what Chauvin did. So sick of seeing people defend this murderous coward.

Not more than 10 miles from where George Floyd was killed is where Philando Castile was murdered. He was fully cooperating and telling the cop that he was a registered gun owner. It didn't matter. He got shot to death.

You aren’t looking at the legal standard though. I think Chauvin deserves a conviction for something and should be responsible for his death. But under the elements of the legal standard that must be met, there is reasonable doubt. I wouldn’t be able to convict because there is reasonable doubt on the elements required for conviction.

Sorry and I replied to your comment because i wanted to add that a shooting death is a whole different ballpark. The intent and reasonable consequence for shooting is totally different. And that is an unquestionable use of deadly force. Per the Minneapolis police handbook, what Chauvin did was not deadly force. And the intent and reasonableness of death as a consequence just has all sorts of reasonable doubt.

Confused here. The 3rd degree murder statute does not require intent.

[Anonymous]

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Confused here. The 3rd degree murder statute does not require intent.

There are some other questions about MN 3rd degree murder with respect to this case, but neither of the murder charges require intent to kill. The 2nd degree unintentional charge has an element of intent to commit third degree assault.

Link to final jury instructions: https://mncourts.gov/mncourtsgov/media/High-Profile-Cases/27-CR-20-12646/JuryInstructions04192021.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:With the video tape, if they don’t convict here, cops have a license to kill black men. It’s absurd that people can watch the tape and think it’s anything but murder

I don't understand these new posters.

What else killed Floyd besides Chauvin? Without Chauvin, he would not have died. And Chauvin wasn't kneeling on him inadvertently or accidentally. He was there on purpose.

Have you served on a jury and, if not, would you be willing to?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Floyd was pulled out of the police squad car by Chauvin and then choked.

Sorry, but he’s guilty as hell

No, no he was not.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

That doesn’t mean you can’t be racist.

Wait, I thought only white people could be racist because because “privilege” and “power structure” blah, blah, blah.

Anyone can be a racist. But not just anyone has the power to practice RACISM-which is a system.

[Anonymous]

I honestly hope that none of you have refused jury service. Juries are the ones who decide this. If you’re too busy and important or emotional or disenfranchised to serve, you are the problem. I have disagreed with so many jury conclusions, but I do believe that being judged by a cohort of your peers is the best system. If you’re not willing to sacrifice in order to do your civic duty, you don’t deserve to complain about any trial outcome.

Better (and, unfortunately, worse) people are willing to step up. And if you refuse to lend your intelligence, insight, and objectivity to make sure that a fellow citizen has a fair and impartial jury you’re just part of the problem, unwilling to stand up for victims (and the falsely accused).

Good day!

[Anonymous]

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It the 1L crim law discussion- if you shoot someone jumping from the Empire State Building on the way down, it’s still murder

Wait, is this for real? How could that be murder?! Isn't "but for causation" relevant here-- the person would have died anyway, not "but for the shooting." No???

(Sorry, I've complained above about this thread being derailed but I just couldn't NOT ask about this!)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is the whole video from one of the cop’s body cams. I couldn’t convict after seeing this

https://youtu.be/tT-dTgEfPA8

Racists never convict.

Should have mentioned I’m a POC?

What color? Is it a color that has been targeted by the police in this country since the 1600’s?

I’m sorry? Are you really asking what shade of dark I am?! You’re gross.