Thread for Derek Chauvin trial watchers?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

If I fought the cops, I’d expect to be manhandled and face to the ground. There were even two blacks across the street watching, talking amongst themselves about him being stupid by not getting in the car and fighting. Does that mean he should be dead, no. But he may be alive today and he just complied.

Just curious, would you fight the cops?


This is the height of victim blaming. Nothing excuses what Chauvin did for over 9 minutes. Nothing.

use of force has to be objectively reasonably throughout the restraint. Was it reasonable when he was clearly succumbing? Or when he continued to be held in prone restraint after he likely was no longer breathing and had no pulse?

Because of work, all I've been able to watch are snippets and haven't seen the last few days (is there a link which has a compilation of witness testimony?). I noticed the debate upthread about signs like petechiae missing, don't know how that testimony went, but its absence does not have to mean death was not due to positional asphyxia. Just like being able to utter words does not mean breathing is not impaired.

It’s relevant in the moments before he died, at which point he was already unconscious

No - this is a key point - the question of reasonableness is no longer relevant to the charges after he was dead, which was far earlier than the end of nine minutes. The charges are for CAUSE of death. What happened after he stopped breathing is not relevant, even though disgusting.

[Anonymous]

AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

[Anonymous]

This has to reform police practices and training and even change the hiring and vetting of entering cadets.

[Anonymous]

I think the jury will come back tomorrow (Wed) with conviction on everything.

BUT, if they don't come back Wed, I think it'll be several days more and it probably means one or more jurors feel police deserve the benefit of any doubt for the difficulty of their job. I don't think that is going to happen.

I am expecting a relatively quick verdict Wed. morning. Guilty on everything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

DP. I wouldn't be too pleased if my husband or father or son resisted arrest.

I would be outraged, furious, outraged if my husband were killed by the police during an arrest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

The GUY WAS CLEARLY HAVING A PANIC ATTACK when they were trying to place him in the car. When they had him on the ground, he appears to calm down and stop resisting. I have been arrested before, and I can tell you it is frightening. Just cause he’s a black man you think he should be accustomed to getting arrested, familiar with getting in the back of a police car? When I was arrested, I passed out in the police station when they said they were about to put me in a cell.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

To the point that you would be okay with officers using lethal force until — and even beyond — your loved one’s death?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

The GUY WAS CLEARLY HAVING A PANIC ATTACK when they were trying to place him in the car. When they had him on the ground, he appears to calm down and stop resisting. I have been arrested before, and I can tell you it is frightening. Just cause he’s a black man you think he should be accustomed to getting arrested, familiar with getting in the back of a police car? When I was arrested, I passed out in the police station when they said they were about to put me in a cell.

I never said that. Why are you making up lies? Was that why you were arrested, some type of dishonest behavior?

Actually George Floyd WAS accustomed to getting arrested. It has nothing to do with him being a black man and everything to do with his actions.

But we aren't talking about his previous arrests (YOU were the one that brought it up.) I wasn't even talking about George Floyd.

I was talking about MY family members and the standards I think they should hold, and the way I would feel about them if they didn't. A pp (not sure if it was you or not) tried to say how EVERYONE would feel about something, and I said I would feel different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

The proliferation of guns is the reason you see brutality. The job of a cop here is highly stressful and dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

To the point that you would be okay with officers using lethal force until — and even beyond — your loved one’s death?

Yes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

The proliferation of guns is the reason you see brutality. The job of a cop here is highly stressful and dangerous.

Maybe, but FLoyd didn't have a gun, Police are trained as first responders, and so often, they ditch that training and go right to violence. That has to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

To the point that you would be okay with officers using lethal force until — and even beyond — your loved one’s death?

Yes.

DP. Absolutely.

Does the poster asking these questions not have family? Or does she just hate them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

I would be outraged at my husband or father if they resisted arrest.

To the point that you would be okay with officers using lethal force until — and even beyond — your loved one’s death?

Yes.

You are clearly a troll.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
AS IF people on here wouldn't be outraged that their husband or father was choked to death in police custody while initially resisting arrest.

In every other civilized country, resisting arrest is not a death sentence, and use of force is extremely regulated. Look up deaths in police custody in other first-world countries - practically nil.

America is both the wealthiest country in the world, yet one of the most barbaric (no gun control, outrageously expensive healthcare and medications, no social safety net). To me as a European, it's a cognitive dissonance I have difficulty reconciliating.

The proliferation of guns is the reason you see brutality. The job of a cop here is highly stressful and dangerous.

Maybe, but FLoyd didn't have a gun, Police are trained as first responders, and so often, they ditch that training and go right to violence. That has to change.

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