Trump wanted to release immigration detainees onto the streets of “sanctuary cities"

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You know what makes no sense about this thread. It's the idea that immigrants are "released" in areas and they would just stay there. No, they are free to go where they choose to go. Often that is where they have friends or relatives. I don't think they are put into places. The whole idea is just bonkers.


What's bonkers is that they're released into the country at all. That's truly bonkers.

PP here. Yes, that makes no sense either. Trump is going to bus illegals to sanctuary cities? Why doesn't he deport them?

I agree. That's the first thing that should be happening.

Then who will work at his golf courses?

American kids who are too goddamn lazy to lift a finger . . . That's who SHOULD take these jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

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Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.


So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.


You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

Hmmm. I think you need to know more.

This was another thread - https://wtop.com/politics/2019/04/apnewsbreak-trump-campaign-to-report-30-million-haul/
APNewsBreak: Trump campaign to report $30 million haul

Granted, he has no rival . . . but . . .

Fox keeps the base riled 24/7. Of course the rubes are going to send him their hard earned cash. It is the only way he will wring out anything left of them before the Oligarchs truly unleash on our society.

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Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump has succeeded in getting liberals to admit that illegal immigration is harming American citizens in sanctuary cities.


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I Understand Helping struggling Immigrants,but MY CITY (Los Angeles) ISNT TAKING CARE OF ITS OWN.WHAT ABOUT THE 50,000+??Citizens WHO LIVE ON THE STREETS.PPL WHO LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE,& HUNGRY? If My State Can’t Take Care of Its Own(Many Are VETS)How Can it Take Care Of More

https://twitter.com/cher/status/1117491420934365185

This is gold. You need to go read the replies. Trump is making liberals see and admit the truth. Americans first!

Except he’s not putting Americans first. He’s just using immigration as a wedge issue to deflect from how he’s driving up our national debt, intent on hosing social safety nets and public education, and undermining democratic institutions. What is he actually doing that helps everyday Americans???

And tax cuts for billionaires don’t count.

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Anonymous wrote:So did Trump think this was a “punishment” or not?

What if he does? Your point?

Do you think he does?

Ah, yes - the poster who will only answer a question with a (pedantic, repetitive) question. Your many questions have been answered, and then some. Move on if you have nothing further to add.

Wasn’t actually answered until page 47.

It actually has been answered several times, you just refuse to accept the answer. So now you can STFU with your idiotic questions. I hope everyone ignores you.

Which page? Oh right. You’re just full of sh1t.

Was it really that hard to admit that you’re a deplorable and you love it when Trump acts like a deplorable?

So is Cher a "deplorable" now that she's spoken the truth about what an influx of immigrants would mean to her city? Is anyone a "deplorable" in your book if they disagree with you? If so, there's a whole country full of "deplorables" who think you are a complete idiot.

Cher is not trying to “punish” US citizens so not a deplorable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

yes they do believe in the stuff he/she is spewing because the cult members are conned to believe that all their issue is due to immigration and not because their party stops them from getting education, healthcare and other benefits and gives that to the rich as tax cuts.

[Anonymous]

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You know what makes no sense about this thread. It's the idea that immigrants are "released" in areas and they would just stay there. No, they are free to go where they choose to go. Often that is where they have friends or relatives. I don't think they are put into places. The whole idea is just bonkers.


What's bonkers is that they're released into the country at all. That's truly bonkers.

PP here. Yes, that makes no sense either. Trump is going to bus illegals to sanctuary cities? Why doesn't he deport them?

It's the law. It needs to be changed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

Yes, we need a plan. If only someone could could propose one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

You don’t know much, then.

In terms of priorities, most middle and working class Americans are prioritizing healthcare, jobs, and affordable housing.

Immigration is only a fixation for Trump’s base because he’s used it as a wedge and fanned the flames of xenophobia and fear. White guys with assault weapons are far more dangerous to the average American than an illegal immigrant. As a group, illegals commit far fewer crimes by percentage.

My midwestern in-laws couldn’t give a hoot about illegal immigrants. They are concerned about the fact that the only hospital I’m the 50 mile area has closed and with it all the jobs related to it gone. They have grown to appreciate the ACA recognizing that it protects coverage preexisting conditions and wonder what will happen if Trump further guts the ACA with no replacement.

They aren’t going to vote based on illegal immigration, that’s for sure. This is a wedge issue and shame on the GOP ... though these days, the GOP has no shame. No guts. No shame. No integrity.

You do you; I'll do me.

Healthcare, in particular, is an immigration issue. Don't be fooled. If you think illegal immigration doesn't affect the issues you mentioned above, you're fooling yourself. Just watch your premiums grow b/c of free visits to the ER. WE end up paying.

The costs of immigrants in our system are relatively small but more importantly, healthcare is NOT an immigration issue. It’s a systemic issue that is driven by a for profit motive of our health care system. Premiums aren’t ramping up because of immigrants, FFS.

Do you actually believe the crap you’re spewing?

I read. Do you? Or do you just rely on information from your Midwestern ILs?

And I posted this before - https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2018/02/26/how-american-citizens-finance-health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants/#f71b3bd12c47
270,122 viewsFeb 26, 2018, 05:06pm
How American Citizens Finance $18.5 Billion In Health Care For Unauthorized Immigrants

Current federal policy is to prohibit federal tax funding of health care to unauthorized immigrants through either Medicaid or Obamacare. Nevertheless, rough estimates suggest that the nation's 3.9 million uninsured immigrants who are unauthorized likely receive about $4.6 billion in health services paid for by federal taxes, $2.8 billion in health services financed by state and local taxpayers, another $3.0 bankrolled through "cost-shifting" i.e., higher payments by insured patients to cover hospital uncompensated care losses, and roughly $1.5 billion in physician charity care. In addition to these amounts, unauthorized immigrants likely benefit from at least $0.9 billion in implicit federal subsidies due to the tax exemption for nonprofit hospitals and another $5.7 billion in tax expenditures from the employer tax exclusion.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Liberal hypocrisy was called out before 2016, but it's been growing stronger and stronger.

So, because of this liberal hypocrisy "call out", the Dems took 40 seats in the House in 2018 and now have control of it. Yep, it's been growing stronger and stronger.

You hear the hypocrisy on this thread.

And when people vote, they'll vote with a PRIORITY. So while your "Hate Free Zone" neighbor is preaching about how horrible Trump is, you will never really know how s/he voted.

No D will win unless s/he has a strong immigration platform that will address the safety concerns many Americans have.

This much I know.

The problem is, people like you have fallen for the "dems are for open borders" BS and there is no discussing it rationally with that perspective. It is a complex issue that doesn't require a wall but does require a plan for how to deal with legal asylum seekers, how to ease the burden on INS courts etc. The rhetoric from Trump and the actions on the ground have been a disaster of his own making.

I haven't fallen for anything.

You either pull for those entering legally or you keep the borders open for all. There is no gray. It's black and white.

I'm waiting on the platforms. Then I'll make my decision. But based on the small segments I've read, they've offered nothing concrete or nothing to limit this overflow. They are far too progressive with their views, which will push more and more moderate Ds to the right.

I didn't vote for Trump, but I knew he'd win. At this point, the Ds are even more fragmented than they were three years ago. Pelosi has lost control and is too fearful to rein in some of her loudmouths. So Ds are all over the map on many issues.

Trump lost by 3 million votes and the GOP has won the popular vote just once in over 30 years. Thats not a party in the pink of health. Dont be delusional. They barely win the EC and thats just tenuous. AMERICANS are not with the con party which uses immigration to demagogue while they take benefits from Most Americans and give them away to the rich as tax cuts. THIS CON GAME has been seen through by enough Americans that the Fraud trickle down party already lost big in 2018. The con man who has never ever crossed 45% in approval is not exactly in any position to win by NOT moderating at all. This is not gonna end well because the conman couldn't get his approval up EVEN AFTER HE SELF EXONERATED from the Russia mess.

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Anonymous wrote:It's funny that Trumpkins are delighted at the thought of "punishing" sanctuary cities by sending illegal immigrants to us ...

You do realize that sanctuary cities are by and large cities where immigrants - both legal and illegal - ALREADY live. They are already here. And many of our communities are rallying to make it possible for them to live their fullest lives and become contributors to our regions. It's not a punishment - it's the American way.

Exactly - it’s NOT a punishment. So why are Democrats so very outraged?? They should be tickled pink.

For the 100000th time...

It’s not that Dems think it’s a punishment, it’s that Trump and Miller sat down to think of a way to punish Dems for the ICE funding for beds. Trump thinks it’s a punishment he can inflict on Dems in retaliation for budget negotiations.

I think he should go ahead with his plan. If ICE doesn’t have the funds for the buses he should loan out his campaign buses and take full credit for his plan. It would certainly make him look like a compassionate guy.

Yes, we know - you've repeated your spiel for the 100000th time. The point you seem to be deliberately avoiding is: SO WHAT if Trump thought it would be a "punishment"? Many of you have repeatedly said it would *not* be a punishment to receive these immigrants. Though I question how many of you actually live in the targeted sanctuary cities - easy for you to say how much they'd be welcome if you're not even living there.

Finally, what's your explanation as to why Democrats refused funding for ICE beds? If beds are needed, why are they not being funded by the very people who insist these migrants are so welcome here?

POTUS planning punishment for citizens of the his own country is OK in your books?? Seriously???

Oh, for crying out loud. You are completely unable to carry on a normal conversation. The fact is: sanctuary cities (and Democrats in general) are insisting this would be no punishment at all for them, and that they would happily welcome a large influx of immigrants. It's not as if they've announced that it *would* be a punishment. So if they're assuring the country that it's no problem for them, then we should take them at their word. Can even a tiny part of your brain comprehend this, or are you going to continue beating this into the ground?

I agree with that PP - the POTUS sitting down to brainstorm ways to punish US citizens over budget negotiations is deplorable. But I guess that what ya’ll like about him. You certainly have no issue with it.

Here's a question that still hasn't been answered (since you brought up budget negotiations): why did Democrats deny funding for more ICE beds? Riddle me that.

I’ll gladly answer after 46 pages of deflection.

It was asked many pages back, and we're still waiting for our answer - which you don't have.

“Why do you care? It doesn’t matter WHY Dems deny funding.” Isn’t that your line?