US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Right on! Under the existing AA system, descendants of Nazi war criminals with skin as white as snow get preferential treatment over dark skinned South Asians.

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Right on! Under the existing AA system, descendants of Nazi war criminals with skin as white as snow get preferential treatment over dark skinned South Asians.

Those from Latin America, especially Argentina.

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Anonymous wrote:Inadvertently, this might end up with MORE brown and black students at Harvard.
Reason, if you look at what happened in the U of Cal system. Qualified black students will avoid schools with few black students. They will gravitate to schools that have more black students. Harvard will have more applications from qualified black students who will pull out of other schools. It might become a mecca of highly qualified black students. I hope so.

If that’s the result, so be it! If ending AA HELPS Blacks getting admitted, good! Universities, governments and big corporations have been playing the race card against Asian-Americans for too long.

You don’t get it. The black students will vacate certain schools. Not because they weren’t qualified, but because there aren’t enough black students there. And what’s too long? Aw shucks a generation of “unfairness “ vs 400 years of abuse.

+1 I predict a (continued) increase in top applicants heading for HBCUs.

This calls to mind Justice Thomas grilling the lawyer during the oral argument in this case about what “diversity” means and its value, pointing out that many other people hype the value of relatively much-less-diverse settings like HBCUs.

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Military Academies being excluded says it all

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Anonymous wrote:Military Academies being excluded says it all

No it really doesn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:Inadvertently, this might end up with MORE brown and black students at Harvard.
Reason, if you look at what happened in the U of Cal system. Qualified black students will avoid schools with few black students. They will gravitate to schools that have more black students. Harvard will have more applications from qualified black students who will pull out of other schools. It might become a mecca of highly qualified black students. I hope so.

If that’s the result, so be it! If ending AA HELPS Blacks getting admitted, good! Universities, governments and big corporations have been playing the race card against Asian-Americans for too long.

You don’t get it. The black students will vacate certain schools. Not because they weren’t qualified, but because there aren’t enough black students there. And what’s too long? Aw shucks a generation of “unfairness “ vs 400 years of abuse.

+1 I predict a (continued) increase in top applicants heading for HBCUs.

This calls to mind Justice Thomas grilling the lawyer during the oral argument in this case about what “diversity” means and its value, pointing out that many other people hype the value of relatively much-less-diverse settings like HBCUs.

Is it hype though to desire to be educated by and around people who genuinely care about your well-being and success. And to be away from the types of attitudes presented in this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:Inadvertently, this might end up with MORE brown and black students at Harvard.
Reason, if you look at what happened in the U of Cal system. Qualified black students will avoid schools with few black students. They will gravitate to schools that have more black students. Harvard will have more applications from qualified black students who will pull out of other schools. It might become a mecca of highly qualified black students. I hope so.

If that’s the result, so be it! If ending AA HELPS Blacks getting admitted, good! Universities, governments and big corporations have been playing the race card against Asian-Americans for too long.

You don’t get it. The black students will vacate certain schools. Not because they weren’t qualified, but because there aren’t enough black students there. And what’s too long? Aw shucks a generation of “unfairness “ vs 400 years of abuse.

+1 I predict a (continued) increase in top applicants heading for HBCUs.

This calls to mind Justice Thomas grilling the lawyer during the oral argument in this case about what “diversity” means and its value, pointing out that many other people hype the value of relatively much-less-diverse settings like HBCUs.

Is it hype though to desire to be educated by and around people who genuinely care about your well-being and success. And to be away from the types of attitudes presented in this thread?

Okay, so it sounds like you value some things more than “diversity.” Lots of other people do too. Bringing us back to Justice Thomas’s point.

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The military academy exclusion was the Supreme Court saying people of color are still needed as cannon fodder even if there is no use for them as college students. Justice Roberts (upside-down emoji face): "The Blacks can take a bullet for us, but I'll damned if them folks are allowed a education!!!"

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Anonymous wrote:The military academy exclusion was the Supreme Court saying people of color are still needed as cannon fodder even if there is no use for them as college students. Justice Roberts (upside-down emoji face): "The Blacks can take a bullet for us, but I'll damned if them folks are allowed an education!!!"

You’re a moron. Affirmative action there means blacks become higher-ups instead of cannon fodder.

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Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

+100. I think Roberts even asked a hypothetical about this during the oral argument in this case. Instead of a generic “black” box, Harvard could ask “were 50% or more (or whatever required threshold) of your ancestors enslaved in the United States?”

Africans have higher test scores. In fact studies show African immigrant test score were 90%+ of white students. So affirmative action will not affect them as much as you think. From a diverse standpoint Africans can talk about their culture in their essays, giving them an edge over white students.

Sure but they were still getting into better schools across the board that they would have otherwise thanks to affirmative actions. I’m not under the impression they won’t be getting in anywhere or something. But folks going to Harvard in the past may now be going to Tufts.

This is delusional. This ruling only strikes down rave, not nationality or religion or geography or culture. Things that would benefit Africans in the admissions game that probably won't benefit white students in the same way. And the difference between Harvard and Tufts is very large.

Ouch! for the Tufts alums…

So based on your post you think this case as a win for everyone from a foreign immigrant background?

I’m not so sure. I definitely think schools were using African immigrants to just get “black” faces in there and might not do so as much anymore.

No one knows but a large percentage of black students don't need affirmative action to get into these schools. Umichs black population declined by 50% that means 50% of Black students only needed merit to get in. I think Harvard's case is similar, of the Black students accepted the African students are less likely to need Affirmative Action to get accepted than African-American or Caribbean students.

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Anonymous wrote:Funny how people are missing the fact that AA largely benefits WHITE WOMEN.

This is true.

As if race and sex for white women is not taken into consideration seems to be the idea a lot of white people have.

white women are the biggest beneficiaries for affirmative action.

Don't women outscore and outnumber men these days in applications. When comparing college admissions stats you don't typically see women getting in with lower grades and test scores vs men like you do with URM applicants.

+1 please cite your source for how women benefit from affirmative action in college. Dartmouth, William and Mary, Wake Forest, Tufts, Brown, Vanderbilt, Vassar, Boston, Bowdoin and Swarthmore colleges; Denison, Pepperdine, Pomona, Wesleyan universities; and the University of Miami have lower admission rates for women than men. I’m sure there are more universities (specifically liberal arts schools). Here is my favorite quote from attached article:

“Because so many more women than men apply to these liberal arts colleges, if an institution wants to have gender balance on campus, “there’s not a lot you can do other than discriminate,” said Charles Deacon, dean of admission at Georgetown University. “You can argue you’re not discriminating because you’re trying to get a balance, but there isn’t much else you can do besides make [gender] a factor.

https://hechingerreport.org/an-unnoticed-result-of-the-decline-of-men-in-college-its-harder-for-women-to-get-in/

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Anonymous wrote:The military academy exclusion was the Supreme Court saying people of color are still needed as cannon fodder even if there is no use for them as college students. Justice Roberts (upside-down emoji face): "The Blacks can take a bullet for us, but I'll damned if them folks are allowed an education!!!"

You’re a moron. Affirmative action there means blacks become higher-ups instead of cannon fodder.

Second lieutenants are supposed to have the highest mortality rates in a way. Their job is to be at the head of the cannon fodder

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Anonymous wrote:The military academy exclusion was the Supreme Court saying people of color are still needed as cannon fodder even if there is no use for them as college students. Justice Roberts (upside-down emoji face): "The Blacks can take a bullet for us, but I'll damned if them folks are allowed an education!!!"

You’re a moron. Affirmative action there means blacks become higher-ups instead of cannon fodder.

Second lieutenants are supposed to have the highest mortality rates in a way. Their job is to be at the head of the cannon fodder

It’s ludicrous to suggest that making it easier for blacks to get into West Point and like somehow puts them at higher risk than death in the military. whichever PP posted the original comment and a ton of people on this thread appear confused about what the military exception means - it’s not letting more blacks into *the military* - it’s letting them into a path up the higher ranks of the military.

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Anonymous wrote:The military academy exclusion was the Supreme Court saying people of color are still needed as cannon fodder even if there is no use for them as college students. Justice Roberts (upside-down emoji face): "The Blacks can take a bullet for us, but I'll damned if them folks are allowed an education!!!"

You’re a moron. Affirmative action there means blacks become higher-ups instead of cannon fodder.

Second lieutenants are supposed to have the highest mortality rates in a way. Their job is to be at the head of the cannon fodder

It’s ludicrous to suggest that making it easier for blacks to get into West Point and like somehow puts them at higher risk than death in the military. whichever PP posted the original comment and a ton of people on this thread appear confused about what the military exception means - it’s not letting more blacks into *the military* - it’s letting them into a path up the higher ranks of the military.

^^^ and it’s doing that precisely to address your supposed concern about disproportionate non-white cannon fodder among other things. That’s what the Biden administration SUPPORTED in the legal briefing. Get your facts straight.

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Anonymous wrote:The military academy exclusion was the Supreme Court saying people of color are still needed as cannon fodder even if there is no use for them as college students. Justice Roberts (upside-down emoji face): "The Blacks can take a bullet for us, but I'll damned if them folks are allowed an education!!!"

You’re a moron. Affirmative action there means blacks become higher-ups instead of cannon fodder.

+1. What an uneducated comment. Students at these elite institutions (you do know that these schools are elite, right?) are future leaders of the government and corporations.