US Supreme Court Rules Against Affirmative Action in College Admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Inadvertently, this might end up with MORE brown and black students at Harvard.
Reason, if you look at what happened in the U of Cal system. Qualified black students will avoid schools with few black students. They will gravitate to schools that have more black students. Harvard will have more applications from qualified black students who will pull out of other schools. It might become a mecca of highly qualified black students. I hope so.

If that’s the result, so be it! If ending AA HELPS Blacks getting admitted, good! Universities, governments and big corporations have been playing the race card against Asian-Americans for too long.

You don’t get it. The black students will vacate certain schools. Not because they weren’t qualified, but because there aren’t enough black students there. And what’s too long? Aw shucks a generation of “unfairness “ vs 400 years of abuse.

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Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

+100. I think Roberts even asked a hypothetical about this during the oral argument in this case. Instead of a generic “black” box, Harvard could ask “were 50% or more (or whatever required threshold) of your ancestors enslaved in the United States?”

Africans have higher test scores. In fact studies show African immigrant test score were 90%+ of white students. So affirmative action will not affect them as much as you think. From a diverse standpoint Africans can talk about their culture in their essays, giving them an edge over white students.

Sure but they were still getting into better schools across the board that they would have otherwise thanks to affirmative actions. I’m not under the impression they won’t be getting in anywhere or something. But folks going to Harvard in the past may now be going to Tufts.

This is delusional. This ruling only strikes down rave, not nationality or religion or geography or culture. Things that would benefit Africans in the admissions game that probably won't benefit white students in the same way. And the difference between Harvard and Tufts is very large.

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Tangent but since everyone is beating up on this Court for owning the libs or something, let’s all remember that it just ruled against Alabama in a big voting rights case based on racial discrimination. That was a huge win for the left.

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Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

+100. I think Roberts even asked a hypothetical about this during the oral argument in this case. Instead of a generic “black” box, Harvard could ask “were 50% or more (or whatever required threshold) of your ancestors enslaved in the United States?”

Africans have higher test scores. In fact studies show African immigrant test score were 90%+ of white students. So affirmative action will not affect them as much as you think. From a diverse standpoint Africans can talk about their culture in their essays, giving them an edge over white students.

Sure but they were still getting into better schools across the board that they would have otherwise thanks to affirmative actions. I’m not under the impression they won’t be getting in anywhere or something. But folks going to Harvard in the past may now be going to Tufts.

Statistically, almost no one gets into Harvard. Plenty of African immigrants with amazing test scores and grades and phenomenal essays have been rejected from Harvard. Some have gotten in but most haven't. So the idea that an applicant with this profile will have to settle for Tufts is meaningless -- statistically, they were never likely to get into Harvard. Perhaps more likely than an Asian immigrant applicant or a white applicant with the same numbers, but still extremely unlikely.

This decision is not going to impact that experience of applying to Ivies or other very selective private universities at all. And those schools will also still find a way to have racially diverse classes, using proxy factors that they'll game to ensure it.

How it impacts other schools will depend on their current applicant pool and yield. I don't think this will impact the experience of the average applicant, of any background, that much at all.

Yes this will affects schools ranked 25-50 the most.

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I knew it. God is a racist Eurasian

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Tangent but since everyone is beating up on this Court for owning the libs or something, let’s all remember that it just ruled against Alabama in a big voting rights case based on racial discrimination. That was a huge win for the left.

Don’t you mean a win for the people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have such complicated feelings about this, on one hand I am an Asian (Indian) and in 4-5 years my kids will be entering the ringer of college admissions and sure, we want to get to the best place they can get to according to their abilities. However, being an Asian I am aware that they face greater odds compared to others and that makes me somewhat anxious.

OTOH, Blacks have suffered tremendous trauma in this country, generations of blacks have been exploited and their psychology has been deeply affected by constantly treating them as less than. They do need a leg up, some sort of support to give them a shot at a prosperous life, a way to get into upper ranks of society. We all have our struggles but it is extremely hard to overcome trauma that is left by society treating you as not equal.

I still hope that colleges find a way to accommodate bright black kids from underprivileged backgrounds. I do not support prioritizing black kids from affluent backgrounds.

The fact is that a substantial proportion of the Black students admitted at elite universities are the children of wealthy, well-educated African immigrants--the kids of Ghanaian and Nigerian engineers and doctors. They have not suffered generations of racism in America. If AA is intended to address the legacy of slavery in the US, then the policy should explicitly and exclusively target the descendants of enslaved people in the US.

+100. I think Roberts even asked a hypothetical about this during the oral argument in this case. Instead of a generic “black” box, Harvard could ask “were 50% or more (or whatever required threshold) of your ancestors enslaved in the United States?”

Africans have higher test scores. In fact studies show African immigrant test score were 90%+ of white students. So affirmative action will not affect them as much as you think. From a diverse standpoint Africans can talk about their culture in their essays, giving them an edge over white students.

Sure but they were still getting into better schools across the board that they would have otherwise thanks to affirmative actions. I’m not under the impression they won’t be getting in anywhere or something. But folks going to Harvard in the past may now be going to Tufts.

This is delusional. This ruling only strikes down rave, not nationality or religion or geography or culture. Things that would benefit Africans in the admissions game that probably won't benefit white students in the same way. And the difference between Harvard and Tufts is very large.

Ouch! for the Tufts alums…

So based on your post you think this case as a win for everyone from a foreign immigrant background?

I’m not so sure. I definitely think schools were using African immigrants to just get “black” faces in there and might not do so as much anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:So now we have one essay topic for all the URMs.

Harship from the racism LMFAO

AOs will get sick and tired of reading about it LMAO

It’s really sad. Kids shouldn’t have to expose their pain in an essay.

That is what the essay is for. To help the AOs get to "know" your kid and what they can bring to the school.....HOLISTIC!!

But not exposing pain. Just one sentence in one essay is enough "The reason I made a A- in that one class is because my parents let me be a well rounded kid and allowed me to play team sports, hang out some weekends, go to movies, etc... instead of studying all the time under extreme academic pressure like my Asian friends (who told me what their parents say about people of my race)."

LOL. There's nothing wrong with wanting your children to be well-rounded, but you can't have it all. Don't train them to take it easy on weekends while also giving them the expectation of getting into top universities because there's lots of kids out there working hard 24/7. There's a reason top startups and finance firms hire from top schools: the hours are grueling and not everyone can handle it. There are plenty of good schools and jobs for kids who don't want to be "on" all the time, but don't think "Why can't my child get into Harvard or Duke because I let them have a life."

+1 well said

Except that Harvard and Duke also want children who had a life and also excelled. Not every graduate is going into grueling hours/high paying jobs from these schools--some people want to have social impact, some people want to be a scholar. The schools don't want people who just hyper-focused on markers of achievement (grades, test scores) but rather have a sense of purpose of some sort beyond that. There are plenty of students of all races and backgrounds who reflect this. Sure they have had to work very hard, but it's not all directed at having the highest GPA and SAT scores--that's not the only marker of achievement, purpose and value that the schools care about.

Exactly. Schools like Harvard and Duke aspire to be universities, not academic sweatshops.

Education is being turned into a competition, a game. It’s not a game, we aren’t all robots cramming, trying to achieve the highest scores. What does that prove exactly? Most people with average IQs are fully capable of equal achievement, some are just pushed at a younger age by parents, some mature later and find success on their own. We have become ruthless, doing whatever it takes to ‘win’. Although some of us missed the memo and are lagging behind.

It has truly been a game for white people who can buy their children into elite schools through sports and donation.

Did the Supreme Court just ban sports and donations?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Tangent but since everyone is beating up on this Court for owning the libs or something, let’s all remember that it just ruled against Alabama in a big voting rights case based on racial discrimination. That was a huge win for the left.

Don’t you mean a win for the people?

Well I was responding to the PP saying the Court doesn't give a crap about the political left. Whether it’s a win for the “people” depends on who you ask.

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Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

There is hope for the future. We need the RENJs to die off first.

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Anonymous wrote:The Babylon bee satire:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CuFXq-ivz1S/?igshid=MTIzZWMxMTBkOA==

https://babylonbee.com/news/awkward-supreme-court-rules-against-affirmative-action-with-affirmative-action-hire-standing-right-there

Not the Bee’s best. Lame and rude.

Agreed. Sometimes they are very funny. This one kind of stank.

It’s never funny.

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It's a done deal.

Let's move on to how to make it better dealing with ALDC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Tangent but since everyone is beating up on this Court for owning the libs or something, let’s all remember that it just ruled against Alabama in a big voting rights case based on racial discrimination. That was a huge win for the left.

Don’t you mean a win for the people?

Yeah, I'm not giving credit to the court of a democracy for saying, yeah, we actually need to hold democratic elections. This is also the court that abolished the Voting Rights Act on the grounds that it wasn't needed anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While it looks like Asian-Americans, especially Chinese-Americans, took the side of Republican white nationalist authoritarianism here, it's important to keep in mind that many Asian-American student organizations objected to being exploited by the Republican fascists. These young Asian-Americans are allies of people of color and are as disgusted as everyone else by today's evidence of Republican white supremacist backlash.

Everyone knows affirmative action is discriminatory (and I use the word everyone purposely and literally), it is just a question of whether its benefits outweigh its discrimination. It was clear to me and I think many when Roe was overturned that this SCOTUS couldn't give a fig about what the media and the political left thought about its decisions, so they were going to overturn the apple cart on this as well (that's two fruit metaphors for you). As for affirmative action -- it is wrong, often abused (1/4 Argentian kids with skin as white as snow somehow get an advantage), but I understand why it has lasted legally as long as it has.

Tangent but since everyone is beating up on this Court for owning the libs or something, let’s all remember that it just ruled against Alabama in a big voting rights case based on racial discrimination. That was a huge win for the left.

Don’t you mean a win for the people?

Yeah, I'm not giving credit to the court of a democracy for saying, yeah, we actually need to hold democratic elections. This is also the court that abolished the Voting Rights Act on the grounds that it wasn't needed anymore.

Yeah, you discredit yourself with hyperbole like that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Inadvertently, this might end up with MORE brown and black students at Harvard.
Reason, if you look at what happened in the U of Cal system. Qualified black students will avoid schools with few black students. They will gravitate to schools that have more black students. Harvard will have more applications from qualified black students who will pull out of other schools. It might become a mecca of highly qualified black students. I hope so.

If that’s the result, so be it! If ending AA HELPS Blacks getting admitted, good! Universities, governments and big corporations have been playing the race card against Asian-Americans for too long.

You don’t get it. The black students will vacate certain schools. Not because they weren’t qualified, but because there aren’t enough black students there. And what’s too long? Aw shucks a generation of “unfairness “ vs 400 years of abuse.

+1 I predict a (continued) increase in top applicants heading for HBCUs.