Billionaire heiress abducted during her Friday morning run in Memphis

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some potentially good news indicating she may be alive in that new charges have been filed for fraudulent use of debit/credit card and identity theft.

Given the perpetrators history of using his last victim for multiple, forced ATM withdrawals it is quite possible he kept her alive to repeat this pattern and then moved her to a secondary location in hopes of further victimizing her later. The police did act very quickly to apprehend him after the initial abduction, potentially before he had a chance to back to the second location.

Please don’t post things like this. It reeks of insensitivity for the family/victim and playing armchair podcast detective.
You show a limited understanding of how fraud charges occur.
There was enough blood that he had to clean his car and clothes, for goodness sakes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some potentially good news indicating she may be alive in that new charges have been filed for fraudulent use of debit/credit card and identity theft.

Given the perpetrators history of using his last victim for multiple, forced ATM withdrawals it is quite possible he kept her alive to repeat this pattern and then moved her to a secondary location in hopes of further victimizing her later. The police did act very quickly to apprehend him after the initial abduction, potentially before he had a chance to back to the second location.

Please don’t post things like this. It reeks of insensitivity for the family/victim and playing armchair podcast detective.
You show a limited understanding of how fraud charges occur.
There was enough blood that he had to clean his car and clothes, for goodness sakes.

Where did you reas about the blood or is just a speculation?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Some potentially good news indicating she may be alive in that new charges have been filed for fraudulent use of debit/credit card and identity theft.

Given the perpetrators history of using his last victim for multiple, forced ATM withdrawals it is quite possible he kept her alive to repeat this pattern and then moved her to a secondary location in hopes of further victimizing her later. The police did act very quickly to apprehend him after the initial abduction, potentially before he had a chance to back to the second location.

Please don’t post things like this. It reeks of insensitivity for the family/victim and playing armchair podcast detective.
You show a limited understanding of how fraud charges occur.
There was enough blood that he had to clean his car and clothes, for goodness sakes.

Ahh, so you're speculating too then. Got it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

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Anonymous wrote:I thought Memphis was a really violent and poor town? They live in Memphis proper? Is there like a historic mansion ritzy sliver of town rich people still live in?

Public record shows they paid $600k for a charming 3k sq/ft cape cod style home a couple years ago. Pretty big money for Memphis. And not a home you can afford on just a pre-k teacher’s salary. Near the university and a couple golf courses, which seems like the concentrated pocket of wealth for the otherwise downtrodden city.

It’s really not. A simple Zillow search will show you hundreds of houses that sold for more (in many cases, much more) than $600k in the area immediately surrounding the University of Memphis in the past couple of years.

In what world is a $600k house big money? It doesn't seem like she had access to the family wealth, at least not much of it. She was the granddaughter - might have gotten caught up with the older gen and not trickled down to her.

In most of the U.S. Step outside your ultra privileged bubble once in a while.

So I’m Memphis, billionaires live in $600k 3000sf homes? No, I don’t think so. She didn’t have access to the family money (at least not much of it)

Lol let’s see grandfather worked at family business and co-ran the company- ie he draws a salary. The company was never listed and has not been sold. So no win fall profit for old granddad. How many kids did grandad have 2, 3? How many kids did they have? Not a lot of money left by the time you get to the grandkids. Is the grand father still alive?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some potentially good news indicating she may be alive in that new charges have been filed for fraudulent use of debit/credit card and identity theft.

Given the perpetrators history of using his last victim for multiple, forced ATM withdrawals it is quite possible he kept her alive to repeat this pattern and then moved her to a secondary location in hopes of further victimizing her later. The police did act very quickly to apprehend him after the initial abduction, potentially before he had a chance to back to the second location.

He could just be using her credit card. No pin required.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks like police were searching near a boat dealership earlier

Apple maps shows that is the Memphis Boat Center. Which is the boat dealer hubby works at?
Memphis Boat Center, 1920 Watson St, Memphis, TN 38111

Just stop dumping on the husband please. Not everyone is your ex-husband.

The husband is a loser. As a parent, you hate to see your kid walk down a path you know is not good for them. Sometimes things are just as they appear.

With that said, I don't think he had anything to do with the abduction. She is clearly worth more alive than dead to him.

YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HIM.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.[/quote

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some potentially good news indicating she may be alive in that new charges have been filed for fraudulent use of debit/credit card and identity theft.

Given the perpetrators history of using his last victim for multiple, forced ATM withdrawals it is quite possible he kept her alive to repeat this pattern and then moved her to a secondary location in hopes of further victimizing her later. The police did act very quickly to apprehend him after the initial abduction, potentially before he had a chance to back to the second location.

Please don’t post things like this. It reeks of insensitivity for the family/victim and playing armchair podcast detective.
You show a limited understanding of how fraud charges occur.
There was enough blood that he had to clean his car and clothes, for goodness sakes.

Ahh, so you're speculating too then. Got it.

Uh, no. It's in the police affidavit. You don't really know much about this case you just want to do your victim blaming and what aboutisms. Aren't you bored of that yet?

“As the abduction was violent with, as captured on video, the suspect waiting for, then rushing toward the victim, then forcing the victim into the vehicle, where she was confined and removed and continues to be missing, it is believed and supported by the facts and physical evidence that she suffered serious injury. Further, it is probable and apparent from witness statements that these injuries left evidence, e.g. blood, in the vehicle that the Defendant cleaned.”

https://medium.com/@brookemarin/eliza-fletchers-abduction-affidavit-cleotha-abston-sat-in-parking-lot-for-4-minutes-after-ce0df73c53af

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Is it hate or just unkind (and unvarnished) idle musings?

We live in an aspirational society. We are fascinated that someone coming from such privilege and advantage can make a series of decisions that leads to this outcome (as a victim, yes, in this final act).

As for the perp, what is there to say. The conversation around him deals with weighty topics that are fraught and for which we have not been able to make progress on as a society for decades. For every vile piece of subhuman trash is someone who made a mistake and deserves a chance at rehabilitation. Good luck sorting it out.

The only “series of decisions” she made that have anything at all to do with her kidnapping is choosing a risky time and location to go for a run. Her marriage, husband, professional life, family, have absolutely nothing to do with this case- as of now. It seems pretty clear she was in the wrong place at the wrong time and a criminal just out of jail, that has done with before, found her. I don’t get all the speculation

Her husband was home. Didn’t he call the police when she didn’t return from her “usual” 4am run? He apparently thought it was a kosher routine in a decaying city full of convicts, dope addicts, and psychopathic criminals.

He called the police at 7am, which is probably when he woke up and realized she wasn't back yet. My husband is still sleeping when I wake up to work out at 5:30 and still asleep at 7:30 a.m. after I've come upstairs, taken a shower, dried my hair and started getting the kids up. This is NOT unusual, PP, stop pretending like he should've been up waiting for her that whole time. Do you really, truly expect him to be up and pacing around waiting for her to get home between 4:30-5:30am? Please. I would be LIVID if my husband was up waiting for me because he thinks I am a poor little southern belle who shouldn't have been let out alone at the hour.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.[/quote

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

So sorry for your experience. We're the perpetrators caught and brought to justice?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.[/quote

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

So sorry for your experience. We're the perpetrators caught and brought to justice?

Stop trying to derail the thread. PP will NOT do an AMA here. If she does, she'll be reported and detailed and possibly even blocked.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.[/quote

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

So sorry for your experience. We're the perpetrators caught and brought to justice?

Yes they were but I had to spend months in court because one was a juvenile + 1 an adult.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I’m having a hard time understanding why there’s more hatred being directed to the victim and her husband versus the monster who took her. Violent repeat offenders should be put to death.

Yep.

People blame the victim and say the crime could have been prevented if they had taken various steps, because they they can tell themselves, "I will never be randomly attacked because I don't run early in the morning." Just like when a woman is attacked in the evening in a parking lot, they say, "I will never be attacked because I don't go to that mall or wear an outfit like that, etc. etc."

Statistically, women are far more likely to be sexually assaulted and murdered by a person known to them--a partner, family member, or friend--than by a random attacked. But by focus on stranger attacks and the choices a woman could make to prevent that attack, people can feel safer. A woman can choose to wear long skirts and sleeves and refuse to go out without a male chaperone, and still end up attacked.

Women make varying choices about their activity and the choices they make do not cause them to deserve death.

Sure, anything can happen to anyone at any time. But are you trying to say a woman alone on the streets, in the wee hours of dark night/morning, in a high crime area is not more at risk than say, a woman out shopping at 3pm with her family in Bethesda?

You live in a denial bubble. I was kidnapped + assaulted by 2 dudes in broad daylight by strangers walking down a busy street. No one stopped to help. Stop blaming the victim. You are gross.

Can you do an AMA if you're up for it?

You may ask here. I won't start a separate thread because it may be triggering to see the title for those who have had similar experiences.

So sorry for your experience. We're the perpetrators caught and brought to justice?

Yes they were but I had to spend months in court because one was a juvenile + 1 an adult.

NP. I’m so sorry, PP. That is awful. I hope you’re doing okay now.