Soi.....Who is pulling out?

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Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

Just some quotes from the article:

Yes, the delta is 50% more transmissible....
"The virus’s ability to spread quickly is especially worrisome because “only half of the children who are eligible are vaccinated,” said Jennifer Lighter, pediatric infectious-disease specialist at New York University Langone Health. “That’s pitiful.” Covid-19 and the flu in children have “the same kind of morbidity,” she said"
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"One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine."

Everyone who can get vaxxed, should.

Masks outdoor?
"“Kids playing outdoors together at a playground is reasonable without masks now, even if they’re not vaccinated,” she said. “But when crowds get bigger or move indoors, masking by everyone is important to keep kids safe.”"

See grandparents who are vaccinated?
"For fully vaccinated grandparents, the risk of infection is “very, very low,” he said, adding, “Personally, my kids are both vaccinated, but if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hesitate to have them around their fully vaccinated grandparents.” [from an infectious disease specialist]

Unvaccinated kids should mask indoors.

"Should I keep my kids out of stores and other indoor places?
During this phase of the pandemic, O’Leary said, approach the idea of taking unvaccinated children to indoor public places the same way you do during flu season. “In general, for a kid under 12, the risk for them is not the same as influenza, but it’s in the ballpark,” he said. “So the same decisions you’d make during flu season, this is similar.”"

"How does this affect a return to school? Should I be worried about sending my children back in person?
“It makes sense to have layered mitigation measures but to have kids in school,” O’Leary said. “We absolutely want kids in school.”

The benefits of in-person school, she and other experts say, outweighs the risks of getting the virus. But schools must keep safety measures in place. “Kids are just missing too much school, and that needs to shift now,” Lighter said. “Not being in school caused a lot of unnecessary harm.”

For the vast majority of kids, Bartlett said, “there was less engagement in learning, less social emotional development, no physical therapy, occupational therapy … meals. And having friends and support systems. All those nonacademic components are essential and outweigh the risk of a covid infection if we’re doing everything to minimize the risk.”Text"

The enormous problem is that these BUT MUST become but a faint voice drowned by budget/logistical constraints and screechy parents, and end up as a modest To The Extent Feasible that won't do much good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

False. Covid hospitalization rates for kids are still extremely low in the UK, and kids are a small proprotion of positives, even with unmasked school in the UK.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1418604716368482305

Anyone who is pondering keeping their kid out of school due to covid really needs to talk to their pediatrician and read some research. Seriously. Unless you have a medically vulnerable kid, there's no justification for it. The small additional protection from risk that you'd be giving your kid is far outweighed by depriving them of a normal life (and likely also transmitting your anxiety disorder to them.)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

Look, if there's no covid circulating you can't get covid (regardless of the variant). If nothing is out there, nothing can spread. And higher vax rates does decrease spread (even delta). Community rates and vax rates matter. I mean, come on.

[Anonymous]

Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

The vaccine is the best protection. What is your choice word for people who are eligible to receive the vaccine but don’t?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

False. Covid hospitalization rates for kids are still extremely low in the UK, and kids are a small proprotion of positives, even with unmasked school in the UK.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1418604716368482305

Anyone who is pondering keeping their kid out of school due to covid really needs to talk to their pediatrician and read some research. Seriously. Unless you have a medically vulnerable kid, there's no justification for it. The small additional protection from risk that you'd be giving your kid is far outweighed by depriving them of a normal life (and likely also transmitting your anxiety disorder to them.)

Amen.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

False. Covid hospitalization rates for kids are still extremely low in the UK, and kids are a small proprotion of positives, even with unmasked school in the UK.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1418604716368482305

Anyone who is pondering keeping their kid out of school due to covid really needs to talk to their pediatrician and read some research. Seriously. Unless you have a medically vulnerable kid, there's no justification for it. The small additional protection from risk that you'd be giving your kid is far outweighed by depriving them of a normal life (and likely also transmitting your anxiety disorder to them.)

Here's A different graphic on covid UK pediatric hospitalizations. The yellow line is the current wave. https://twitter.com/jneill/status/1418593485360349185?s=20

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

+1

I feel like we would all benefit from a talk with our grandparents/great-grandparents about sending kids to school before there were any vaccinations at all. Chickenpox, rubella, mumps, measels, all just something you had to go through as a child and as a parent. The idea that you'd cancel school for TWO YEARS for a disease less risky than chicken pox and less contagious than measels would be bizarre to them. Obviously, I dread that my kid could get covid. But I have to be a parent, and do the hard work of deciding that it's more important for his life to get back to normal child development than it is to avoid all possible risk.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

False. Covid hospitalization rates for kids are still extremely low in the UK, and kids are a small proprotion of positives, even with unmasked school in the UK.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1418604716368482305

Anyone who is pondering keeping their kid out of school due to covid really needs to talk to their pediatrician and read some research. Seriously. Unless you have a medically vulnerable kid, there's no justification for it. The small additional protection from risk that you'd be giving your kid is far outweighed by depriving them of a normal life (and likely also transmitting your anxiety disorder to them.)

Here's A different graphic on covid UK pediatric hospitalizations. The yellow line is the current wave. https://twitter.com/jneill/status/1418593485360349185?s=20

those are still really low rates.

[Anonymous]

Can someone direct me to the actual DOH / DCPS policy on this?

[Anonymous]

zero kids under 19 have died in DC of covid. zero. ZE-RO. And that is with a population of medically vulnerable kids - high rates of poverty, asthma, obesity, etc.

https://coronavirus.dc.gov/data