Soi.....Who is pulling out?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

Just some quotes from the article:

Yes, the delta is 50% more transmissible....
"The virus’s ability to spread quickly is especially worrisome because “only half of the children who are eligible are vaccinated,” said Jennifer Lighter, pediatric infectious-disease specialist at New York University Langone Health. “That’s pitiful.” Covid-19 and the flu in children have “the same kind of morbidity,” she said"
...
"One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine."

Everyone who can get vaxxed, should.

Masks outdoor?
"“Kids playing outdoors together at a playground is reasonable without masks now, even if they’re not vaccinated,” she said. “But when crowds get bigger or move indoors, masking by everyone is important to keep kids safe.”"

See grandparents who are vaccinated?
"For fully vaccinated grandparents, the risk of infection is “very, very low,” he said, adding, “Personally, my kids are both vaccinated, but if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hesitate to have them around their fully vaccinated grandparents.” [from an infectious disease specialist]

Unvaccinated kids should mask indoors.

"Should I keep my kids out of stores and other indoor places?
During this phase of the pandemic, O’Leary said, approach the idea of taking unvaccinated children to indoor public places the same way you do during flu season. “In general, for a kid under 12, the risk for them is not the same as influenza, but it’s in the ballpark,” he said. “So the same decisions you’d make during flu season, this is similar.”"

"How does this affect a return to school? Should I be worried about sending my children back in person?
“It makes sense to have layered mitigation measures but to have kids in school,” O’Leary said. “We absolutely want kids in school.”

The benefits of in-person school, she and other experts say, outweighs the risks of getting the virus. But schools must keep safety measures in place. “Kids are just missing too much school, and that needs to shift now,” Lighter said. “Not being in school caused a lot of unnecessary harm.”

For the vast majority of kids, Bartlett said, “there was less engagement in learning, less social emotional development, no physical therapy, occupational therapy … meals. And having friends and support systems. All those nonacademic components are essential and outweigh the risk of a covid infection if we’re doing everything to minimize the risk.”"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

What if infectious disease specialists are making the comparison? Do you listen to them? Look, I get that covid is highly politicized, but you can try to see beyond it and get to what actual experts are saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

It’s more contagious than the flu, and for severe cases present longer-term impacts. The way the article is framed, they’re not saying kids won’t get Covid. But as a whole they feel it’s worth it to avoid the impacts of not being in school, which they feel present a bigger issue.

They don’t FEEL this, they are making this judgment based on the data.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly PP ... schools need to reopen. If you don't want your child to attend you should enroll in the online academy. But, enough already. This is not summer 2020-21 ... we all saw last year and know it can't happen again.

You can’t just “enroll” in the online academy. DC has put up barriers, including a fairly ridiculous doctors certification, and has only approved NINE children for virtual so far.

Interesting. Where do you get this number?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

Just some quotes from the article:

Yes, the delta is 50% more transmissible....
"The virus’s ability to spread quickly is especially worrisome because “only half of the children who are eligible are vaccinated,” said Jennifer Lighter, pediatric infectious-disease specialist at New York University Langone Health. “That’s pitiful.” Covid-19 and the flu in children have “the same kind of morbidity,” she said"
...
"One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine."

Everyone who can get vaxxed, should.

Masks outdoor?
"“Kids playing outdoors together at a playground is reasonable without masks now, even if they’re not vaccinated,” she said. “But when crowds get bigger or move indoors, masking by everyone is important to keep kids safe.”"

See grandparents who are vaccinated?
"For fully vaccinated grandparents, the risk of infection is “very, very low,” he said, adding, “Personally, my kids are both vaccinated, but if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hesitate to have them around their fully vaccinated grandparents.” [from an infectious disease specialist]

Unvaccinated kids should mask indoors.

"Should I keep my kids out of stores and other indoor places?
During this phase of the pandemic, O’Leary said, approach the idea of taking unvaccinated children to indoor public places the same way you do during flu season. “In general, for a kid under 12, the risk for them is not the same as influenza, but it’s in the ballpark,” he said. “So the same decisions you’d make during flu season, this is similar.”"

"How does this affect a return to school? Should I be worried about sending my children back in person?
“It makes sense to have layered mitigation measures but to have kids in school,” O’Leary said. “We absolutely want kids in school.”

The benefits of in-person school, she and other experts say, outweighs the risks of getting the virus. But schools must keep safety measures in place. “Kids are just missing too much school, and that needs to shift now,” Lighter said. “Not being in school caused a lot of unnecessary harm.”

For the vast majority of kids, Bartlett said, “there was less engagement in learning, less social emotional development, no physical therapy, occupational therapy … meals. And having friends and support systems. All those nonacademic components are essential and outweigh the risk of a covid infection if we’re doing everything to minimize the risk.”"

My under 12 gets the flu shot every year. He can't for COVID, so it's not comparable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

Just some quotes from the article:

Yes, the delta is 50% more transmissible....
"The virus’s ability to spread quickly is especially worrisome because “only half of the children who are eligible are vaccinated,” said Jennifer Lighter, pediatric infectious-disease specialist at New York University Langone Health. “That’s pitiful.” Covid-19 and the flu in children have “the same kind of morbidity,” she said"
...
"One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine."

Everyone who can get vaxxed, should.

Masks outdoor?
"“Kids playing outdoors together at a playground is reasonable without masks now, even if they’re not vaccinated,” she said. “But when crowds get bigger or move indoors, masking by everyone is important to keep kids safe.”"

See grandparents who are vaccinated?
"For fully vaccinated grandparents, the risk of infection is “very, very low,” he said, adding, “Personally, my kids are both vaccinated, but if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hesitate to have them around their fully vaccinated grandparents.” [from an infectious disease specialist]

Unvaccinated kids should mask indoors.

"Should I keep my kids out of stores and other indoor places?
During this phase of the pandemic, O’Leary said, approach the idea of taking unvaccinated children to indoor public places the same way you do during flu season. “In general, for a kid under 12, the risk for them is not the same as influenza, but it’s in the ballpark,” he said. “So the same decisions you’d make during flu season, this is similar.”"

"How does this affect a return to school? Should I be worried about sending my children back in person?
“It makes sense to have layered mitigation measures but to have kids in school,” O’Leary said. “We absolutely want kids in school.”

The benefits of in-person school, she and other experts say, outweighs the risks of getting the virus. But schools must keep safety measures in place. “Kids are just missing too much school, and that needs to shift now,” Lighter said. “Not being in school caused a lot of unnecessary harm.”

For the vast majority of kids, Bartlett said, “there was less engagement in learning, less social emotional development, no physical therapy, occupational therapy … meals. And having friends and support systems. All those nonacademic components are essential and outweigh the risk of a covid infection if we’re doing everything to minimize the risk.”"

My under 12 gets the flu shot every year. He can't for COVID, so it's not comparable.

Do you really think these experts are not taking the existence of the flu shot into account? The comparison is made with the flu shot factored in. Without it, the flu would be even more dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

Just some quotes from the article:

Yes, the delta is 50% more transmissible....
"The virus’s ability to spread quickly is especially worrisome because “only half of the children who are eligible are vaccinated,” said Jennifer Lighter, pediatric infectious-disease specialist at New York University Langone Health. “That’s pitiful.” Covid-19 and the flu in children have “the same kind of morbidity,” she said"
...
"One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine."

Everyone who can get vaxxed, should.

Masks outdoor?
"“Kids playing outdoors together at a playground is reasonable without masks now, even if they’re not vaccinated,” she said. “But when crowds get bigger or move indoors, masking by everyone is important to keep kids safe.”"

See grandparents who are vaccinated?
"For fully vaccinated grandparents, the risk of infection is “very, very low,” he said, adding, “Personally, my kids are both vaccinated, but if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hesitate to have them around their fully vaccinated grandparents.” [from an infectious disease specialist]

Unvaccinated kids should mask indoors.

"Should I keep my kids out of stores and other indoor places?
During this phase of the pandemic, O’Leary said, approach the idea of taking unvaccinated children to indoor public places the same way you do during flu season. “In general, for a kid under 12, the risk for them is not the same as influenza, but it’s in the ballpark,” he said. “So the same decisions you’d make during flu season, this is similar.”"

"How does this affect a return to school? Should I be worried about sending my children back in person?
“It makes sense to have layered mitigation measures but to have kids in school,” O’Leary said. “We absolutely want kids in school.”

The benefits of in-person school, she and other experts say, outweighs the risks of getting the virus. But schools must keep safety measures in place. “Kids are just missing too much school, and that needs to shift now,” Lighter said. “Not being in school caused a lot of unnecessary harm.”

For the vast majority of kids, Bartlett said, “there was less engagement in learning, less social emotional development, no physical therapy, occupational therapy … meals. And having friends and support systems. All those nonacademic components are essential and outweigh the risk of a covid infection if we’re doing everything to minimize the risk.”"

My under 12 gets the flu shot every year. He can't for COVID, so it's not comparable.

Definitely go with your feelings. I'll listen to the infectious disease specialists, who are also aware of flu shot, and can factor that feature in when making statements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

Isn’t it only 3 days if you have a negative test?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

Isn’t it only 3 days if you have a negative test?

Yes. In DC.

It looks like in Montgomery County you can test immediately. And have gone to more states.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just to reiterate how dumb and unnuanced the travel quarantine is:

You can take an unvaccinated child to a Nationals game and then out to dinner in DC, where they will come into contact with countless numbers of total strangers, mostly unmasked, with no way of verifying if any of those people are vaccinated (and even if vaccinated, they could still be carrying Covid). And then your kid could go to school hours later, in total compliance with the rules, which place no restriction on unvaccinated kids going to crowded and indoor public spaces with lots of massless individuals.

But if you drive to North Carolina or Pennsylvania, stay in an AirBnB, and interact exclusively with vaccinated family members, you have to quarantine for 10 days before your kid can attend school.

I am being self-interested here, I know. We have family members who are incapable of traveling to see us because of their age and finances, and who have seen our children either not at all or just once since March 2020 because we were very cautious about waiting for vaccination. And now we're talking about either having our kids miss weeks of school after being out of the classroom for over a year, or going 2-3 years with them barely seeing grandparents. I'm bitter and sad for everyone involved. I HATE this policy and it really feels like just another way to rest the burden of the pandemic on families with young children while not even inconveniencing anyone else.

I’m not sure I completely understand the rule. But isn’t it possible to return on Thursday, get a vivid test on Sunday and kid is back in school on Monday? We have family we haven’t seen since January 2020 and we want to follow the rules…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just to reiterate how dumb and unnuanced the travel quarantine is:

You can take an unvaccinated child to a Nationals game and then out to dinner in DC, where they will come into contact with countless numbers of total strangers, mostly unmasked, with no way of verifying if any of those people are vaccinated (and even if vaccinated, they could still be carrying Covid). And then your kid could go to school hours later, in total compliance with the rules, which place no restriction on unvaccinated kids going to crowded and indoor public spaces with lots of massless individuals.

But if you drive to North Carolina or Pennsylvania, stay in an AirBnB, and interact exclusively with vaccinated family members, you have to quarantine for 10 days before your kid can attend school.

I am being self-interested here, I know. We have family members who are incapable of traveling to see us because of their age and finances, and who have seen our children either not at all or just once since March 2020 because we were very cautious about waiting for vaccination. And now we're talking about either having our kids miss weeks of school after being out of the classroom for over a year, or going 2-3 years with them barely seeing grandparents. I'm bitter and sad for everyone involved. I HATE this policy and it really feels like just another way to rest the burden of the pandemic on families with young children while not even inconveniencing anyone else.

I’m not sure I completely understand the rule. But isn’t it possible to return on Thursday, get a vivid test on Sunday and kid is back in school on Monday? We have family we haven’t seen since January 2020 and we want to follow the rules…

Yes, that's possible.

The issue is more pronounced for, say, Thanksgiving, or any other weekend holiday.

Also travel during the school year would have to be cut short by 3 days.

Finally, will unvaccinated staff/teachers follow the rule as well, or will there be requirements to close classes until they test?

[Anonymous]

It's all so silly. The FACT is that covid is less dangerous to children than the flu. That Trump happened to say one true thing in all his lying years does not make the true statement un-true. It is shameful to politicize children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's all so silly. The FACT is that covid is less dangerous to children than the flu. That Trump happened to say one true thing in all his lying years does not make the true statement un-true. It is shameful to politicize children.

Actually, this was another instance of Trump making up his own facts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Useful overview of delta and kids from WP:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2021/07/22/covid-delta-variant-children/

Basically worry about it as much as you do the flu, and masking indoors is good.

Let’s not bring flu comparisons into the discussion, it makes you sound like Trump.

Read the article, which makes the flu comparison.

Just some quotes from the article:

Yes, the delta is 50% more transmissible....
"The virus’s ability to spread quickly is especially worrisome because “only half of the children who are eligible are vaccinated,” said Jennifer Lighter, pediatric infectious-disease specialist at New York University Langone Health. “That’s pitiful.” Covid-19 and the flu in children have “the same kind of morbidity,” she said"
...
"One bit of reassurance: Anecdotally, it looks like the illness caused by the delta variant is no more severe than that caused by the other variants so far, said Allison Bartlett, a pediatric infectious-disease specialist with University of Chicago Medicine."

Everyone who can get vaxxed, should.

Masks outdoor?
"“Kids playing outdoors together at a playground is reasonable without masks now, even if they’re not vaccinated,” she said. “But when crowds get bigger or move indoors, masking by everyone is important to keep kids safe.”"

See grandparents who are vaccinated?
"For fully vaccinated grandparents, the risk of infection is “very, very low,” he said, adding, “Personally, my kids are both vaccinated, but if they weren’t, I wouldn’t hesitate to have them around their fully vaccinated grandparents.” [from an infectious disease specialist]

Unvaccinated kids should mask indoors.

"Should I keep my kids out of stores and other indoor places?
During this phase of the pandemic, O’Leary said, approach the idea of taking unvaccinated children to indoor public places the same way you do during flu season. “In general, for a kid under 12, the risk for them is not the same as influenza, but it’s in the ballpark,” he said. “So the same decisions you’d make during flu season, this is similar.”"

"How does this affect a return to school? Should I be worried about sending my children back in person?
“It makes sense to have layered mitigation measures but to have kids in school,” O’Leary said. “We absolutely want kids in school.”

The benefits of in-person school, she and other experts say, outweighs the risks of getting the virus. But schools must keep safety measures in place. “Kids are just missing too much school, and that needs to shift now,” Lighter said. “Not being in school caused a lot of unnecessary harm.”

For the vast majority of kids, Bartlett said, “there was less engagement in learning, less social emotional development, no physical therapy, occupational therapy … meals. And having friends and support systems. All those nonacademic components are essential and outweigh the risk of a covid infection if we’re doing everything to minimize the risk.”"

Thank you for posting this; this is really helpful.