Soi.....Who is pulling out?

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.

You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.

Oh, please. Yes, you're the rich savior of the travel industry, you gigantic selfless hero.

What a load of pretentious, self-serving garbage.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.

You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.

Oh, please. Yes, you're the rich savior of the travel industry, you gigantic selfless hero.

What a load of pretentious, self-serving garbage.

Them saying its ok kids die so they can travel and live their lives as normal is what is shocking. Hey, who cares if a few kids die as long as I am having fun.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.

You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.

Oh, please. Yes, you're the rich savior of the travel industry, you gigantic selfless hero.

What a load of pretentious, self-serving garbage.

Them saying its ok kids die so they can travel and live their lives as normal is what is shocking. Hey, who cares if a few kids die as long as I am having fun.

If everything is open then a travel ban solely for elemtary school kids doesn't save any lives. You all keep ignoring that with your cheap rhetorical games.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.

You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.

Oh, please. Yes, you're the rich savior of the travel industry, you gigantic selfless hero.

What a load of pretentious, self-serving garbage.

Them saying its ok kids die so they can travel and live their lives as normal is what is shocking. Hey, who cares if a few kids die as long as I am having fun.

If everything is open then a travel ban solely for elemtary school kids doesn't save any lives. You all keep ignoring that with your cheap rhetorical games.

+1

It's just the most ridiculous accounting.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

The delta variant is more contagious, but in the past day or so I've seen quotes from pediatric infectious disease specialists saying that the delta variant is not necessarily resulting in a more severe case of COVID than either original COVID or other variants, though it is early.

If that is not correct, can you point to the information on severity?

And before this potentially goes off the rails, I'm not saying I want anyone's kid with underlying health conditions (or anyone else) to get COVID or denying that MIS-C exists.

Well a 5 year old with no underlying conditions just died of Delta…

A 5 year old did die. In northern Georgia, where their vaccination rate is incredibly low, less than 20% in some counties. The articles that I've read also don't tell if the immediate family members were vaccination - just that the dad at the time of the article was coughing from also having covid. And the boy died of a stoke. Not saying covid wasn't the catalyst, but there's also a lot of information missing.

The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.

And yet, children are in the vast, vast majority of cases, not at risk of harm. The only people at risk are unvaccinated adults. That's their problem.

If you have 50,000 kids in DCPS and if 100% get Covid, and if the death rate for kids is 0.005%, then 2 or 3 DCPS students will die of COVID. It's a small number, and I (like everybody else) is appropriately 99.995% sure that it won't be my child. But it makes for dramatic headlines. Particularly if that means the number for DC kids regardless of where they go to school is then 6 or 7. Lots of ifs, lots of unknowns. Just saying that a tiny risk seems bigger if the denominator gets large.

It’s nice that you’re cool with three dead children *in our city alone*.

DP. Nobody is “cool” with any children’s deaths. But we also can’t keep tens of thousands of kids home to save three lives. Society has never operated on the principle that we must do everything possible to prevent every single death, or we would drop the speed limit to 15 on all roads and ban swimming pools.

Not to mention what we would do about guns.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

The delta variant is more contagious, but in the past day or so I've seen quotes from pediatric infectious disease specialists saying that the delta variant is not necessarily resulting in a more severe case of COVID than either original COVID or other variants, though it is early.

If that is not correct, can you point to the information on severity?

And before this potentially goes off the rails, I'm not saying I want anyone's kid with underlying health conditions (or anyone else) to get COVID or denying that MIS-C exists.

Well a 5 year old with no underlying conditions just died of Delta…

A 5 year old did die. In northern Georgia, where their vaccination rate is incredibly low, less than 20% in some counties. The articles that I've read also don't tell if the immediate family members were vaccination - just that the dad at the time of the article was coughing from also having covid. And the boy died of a stoke. Not saying covid wasn't the catalyst, but there's also a lot of information missing.

The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.

And yet, children are in the vast, vast majority of cases, not at risk of harm. The only people at risk are unvaccinated adults. That's their problem.

If you have 50,000 kids in DCPS and if 100% get Covid, and if the death rate for kids is 0.005%, then 2 or 3 DCPS students will die of COVID. It's a small number, and I (like everybody else) is appropriately 99.995% sure that it won't be my child. But it makes for dramatic headlines. Particularly if that means the number for DC kids regardless of where they go to school is then 6 or 7. Lots of ifs, lots of unknowns. Just saying that a tiny risk seems bigger if the denominator gets large.

It’s nice that you’re cool with three dead children *in our city alone*.

DP. Nobody is “cool” with any children’s deaths. But we also can’t keep tens of thousands of kids home to save three lives. Society has never operated on the principle that we must do everything possible to prevent every single death, or we would drop the speed limit to 15 on all roads and ban swimming pools.

Not to mention what we would do about guns.

That is true, but I deliberately omitted this example, because the PP probably agrees that we should severely restrict gun ownership (I certainly do), whereas she would probably also agree that it would be unreasonable to set an extremely low speed limit everywhere and ban pools. The point is that certain restrictions interfere with important functions of life (transportation and learning to swim/recreation) and we take risks for them. That includes education and childcare, but not gun ownership, which just doesn’t have the same risk-benefit ratio.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

The delta variant is more contagious, but in the past day or so I've seen quotes from pediatric infectious disease specialists saying that the delta variant is not necessarily resulting in a more severe case of COVID than either original COVID or other variants, though it is early.

If that is not correct, can you point to the information on severity?

And before this potentially goes off the rails, I'm not saying I want anyone's kid with underlying health conditions (or anyone else) to get COVID or denying that MIS-C exists.

Well a 5 year old with no underlying conditions just died of Delta…

A 5 year old did die. In northern Georgia, where their vaccination rate is incredibly low, less than 20% in some counties. The articles that I've read also don't tell if the immediate family members were vaccination - just that the dad at the time of the article was coughing from also having covid. And the boy died of a stoke. Not saying covid wasn't the catalyst, but there's also a lot of information missing.

The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.

And yet, children are in the vast, vast majority of cases, not at risk of harm. The only people at risk are unvaccinated adults. That's their problem.

If you have 50,000 kids in DCPS and if 100% get Covid, and if the death rate for kids is 0.005%, then 2 or 3 DCPS students will die of COVID. It's a small number, and I (like everybody else) is appropriately 99.995% sure that it won't be my child. But it makes for dramatic headlines. Particularly if that means the number for DC kids regardless of where they go to school is then 6 or 7. Lots of ifs, lots of unknowns. Just saying that a tiny risk seems bigger if the denominator gets large.

It’s nice that you’re cool with three dead children *in our city alone*.

DP. Nobody is “cool” with any children’s deaths. But we also can’t keep tens of thousands of kids home to save three lives. Society has never operated on the principle that we must do everything possible to prevent every single death, or we would drop the speed limit to 15 on all roads and ban swimming pools.

Well said.

Plus, keeping schools closed killed a lot more than 3 people. Kids were in environments less safe than schools instead and brought the virus home which killed their grandparents. I'm not even getting into children whose lives were set permanently off course by not attending ANY form of school for a year and a half and now will die early deaths due to addiction and crime. Let's be honest and talk about the total costs for schools fully reopening vs not.

[Anonymous]

Got an an email that aftercare will not be available for everyone, there will be a lottery.

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Anonymous wrote:Got an an email that aftercare will not be available for everyone, there will be a lottery.

What school and is that covid related?

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Anonymous wrote:Got an an email that aftercare will not be available for everyone, there will be a lottery.

Pretty sure this is standard in some schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Got an an email that aftercare will not be available for everyone, there will be a lottery.

Pretty sure this is standard in some schools.

I would change this to MAY not be available to everyone. They will cap it to control cohorts. IIRC, the capped numbers seem to be above the number I can recall using aftercare in the past. Not sure about before care.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.

You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.

Oh, please. Yes, you're the rich savior of the travel industry, you gigantic selfless hero.

What a load of pretentious, self-serving garbage.

Them saying its ok kids die so they can travel and live their lives as normal is what is shocking. Hey, who cares if a few kids die as long as I am having fun.

I am increasingly convinced that schools are going to open as normal, we will see what happens, but even if, gd forbid, kids do start to get sick, things will stay open - generally better in NW than in other parts of the city - and nothing will change until, gd forbid, a white child dies.

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Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

The delta variant is more contagious, but in the past day or so I've seen quotes from pediatric infectious disease specialists saying that the delta variant is not necessarily resulting in a more severe case of COVID than either original COVID or other variants, though it is early.

If that is not correct, can you point to the information on severity?

And before this potentially goes off the rails, I'm not saying I want anyone's kid with underlying health conditions (or anyone else) to get COVID or denying that MIS-C exists.

Well a 5 year old with no underlying conditions just died of Delta…

A 5 year old did die. In northern Georgia, where their vaccination rate is incredibly low, less than 20% in some counties. The articles that I've read also don't tell if the immediate family members were vaccination - just that the dad at the time of the article was coughing from also having covid. And the boy died of a stoke. Not saying covid wasn't the catalyst, but there's also a lot of information missing.

The vaccination rates are not relevant here. The point is that Delta has high spread among the unvaccinated, and children are unvaccinated. We could have the scenario that most kids get the virus between now and vaccine approval. If even a small amount of cases are severe, that would still be a substantial number of kids.

And yet, children are in the vast, vast majority of cases, not at risk of harm. The only people at risk are unvaccinated adults. That's their problem.

If you have 50,000 kids in DCPS and if 100% get Covid, and if the death rate for kids is 0.005%, then 2 or 3 DCPS students will die of COVID. It's a small number, and I (like everybody else) is appropriately 99.995% sure that it won't be my child. But it makes for dramatic headlines. Particularly if that means the number for DC kids regardless of where they go to school is then 6 or 7. Lots of ifs, lots of unknowns. Just saying that a tiny risk seems bigger if the denominator gets large.

It’s nice that you’re cool with three dead children *in our city alone*.

DP. Nobody is “cool” with any children’s deaths. But we also can’t keep tens of thousands of kids home to save three lives. Society has never operated on the principle that we must do everything possible to prevent every single death, or we would drop the speed limit to 15 on all roads and ban swimming pools.

Well said.

Plus, keeping schools closed killed a lot more than 3 people. Kids were in environments less safe than schools instead and brought the virus home which killed their grandparents. I'm not even getting into children whose lives were set permanently off course by not attending ANY form of school for a year and a half and now will die early deaths due to addiction and crime. Let's be honest and talk about the total costs for schools fully reopening vs not.

+1

As someone who has worked with vulnerable student populations for my entire career I am sadly sure that more than 2 or 3 kids lives are permanently altered as a result of the pandemic in a negative way. I am also sadly sure that many more than that will die earlier as a result of keeping schools closed.

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Anonymous wrote:I just wish all the travelers would show some respect. You could also NOT travel.

You show respect with travel. People are hurting out there on the job front. We need the economy back. Two things are key in that 1. Vaccine prevents serious illness in all but a a very small number of cases. 2. Covid is not serious with respect to younger kids. Yes some die -- in all of the pandemic less than are killed in car accidents. There is a level of risk you need to accept in life. If you do not want to, you do you but the rest of the world is moving on.

Oh, please. Yes, you're the rich savior of the travel industry, you gigantic selfless hero.

What a load of pretentious, self-serving garbage.

Them saying its ok kids die so they can travel and live their lives as normal is what is shocking. Hey, who cares if a few kids die as long as I am having fun.

I am increasingly convinced that schools are going to open as normal, we will see what happens, but even if, gd forbid, kids do start to get sick, things will stay open - generally better in NW than in other parts of the city - and nothing will change until, gd forbid, a white child dies.

They will open as normal, but given the current policy on how to handle positive test results, they will close down frequently for extended periods of time, leaving parents to scramble for ad hoc childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:Got an an email that aftercare will not be available for everyone, there will be a lottery.

Pretty sure this is standard in some schools.

I would change this to MAY not be available to everyone. They will cap it to control cohorts. IIRC, the capped numbers seem to be above the number I can recall using aftercare in the past. Not sure about before care.

At our school it's way below the number that use aftercare to start with. They're hoping/planning to expand as time passes but at the start it will be way below demand.