Soi.....Who is pulling out?

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Anonymous wrote:Can someone direct me to the actual DOH / DCPS policy on this?

Is it this: https://coronavirus.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/coronavirus/page_content/attachments/Travel_Guidance_DCHealth_COVID-19_Update_2021-5-19.pdf
Or is there one more specific to schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

+1

I feel like we would all benefit from a talk with our grandparents/great-grandparents about sending kids to school before there were any vaccinations at all. Chickenpox, rubella, mumps, measels, all just something you had to go through as a child and as a parent. The idea that you'd cancel school for TWO YEARS for a disease less risky than chicken pox and less contagious than measels would be bizarre to them. Obviously, I dread that my kid could get covid. But I have to be a parent, and do the hard work of deciding that it's more important for his life to get back to normal child development than it is to avoid all possible risk.

Well said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

+1

I've seen you call someone else a 'delta variant poster' and try to send them off to a therapist or another forum. You have serious denial issues and related problematic bullying instincts.

[Anonymous]

I know it's hard to keep up to date on the latest, but here it is from June. COVID is worse for kids than the flu:

Columbia University researchers and colleagues determined that, while death was uncommon, infection with SARS-CoV-2 produced more symptoms and complications than seasonal influenza.

The study, which was published online in the journal Pediatrics, also found wide variation in how children and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 were treated.

In response to views that ranged from COVID-19 in children and adolescents being no more than the common flu to a significant danger to lesser-developed immune systems, the Observational Health Data Sciences and Informatics (OHDSI) global network, which is based at Columbia, gathered real-world observational data on more than 242,000 children and adolescents diagnosed with COVID-19, including nearly 10,000 hospitalized youths. They then compared that information to more than 2 million in that cohort diagnosed with influenza across five countries—France, Germany, South Korea, Spain, and the United States.

The study team determined that neurodevelopmental disorders, heart disease, and cancer were more common among hospitalized patients versus those just diagnosed with COVID-19. The researchers also report that dyspnea, bronchiolitis, anosmia, and gastrointestinal symptoms were more common in COVID-19 than influenza.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2021/05/28/peds.2020-042929

[Anonymous]

Why not just allow the free DC provide testing option of being tested 3-5 days after traveling?
Also, why not just have testing in schools for free for staff and students. And pick a random 5-10% of the population each day or week along with symptom testing?
If teachers aren't vaccinated (sunless medical reason) then they shouldn't be allowed to teach (or get paid) and or should be masked at all times.

[Anonymous]

Our charter is still using the 3-5 post travel testing. I don think it would matter at a lot of schools as not everyone can afford to travel and some just are staying local. If you have the privilege to travel then just take a test before you go back.
No doubt half the class rooms will be missing teachers after every break or long weekend. I don't get why more people are upset and against requiring vaccines, masks and testing at school & during school hours. Than they are about policing peoples off days but whatever

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

+1

I've seen you call someone else a 'delta variant poster' and try to send them off to a therapist or another forum. You have serious denial issues and related problematic bullying instincts.

I mean, that's not me. I don't believe in suggesting therapy across the internet, as I'm not a therapist. It just seems that you appear to be very worried about delta. Additionally, you seem to want a lot of people to do things that they aren't going to do. Suggesting that you make choices accordingly is not bullying you, nor it is denying delta.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to keep up to date on the latest, but here it is from June. COVID is worse for kids than the flu:

Columbia University researchers and colleagues determined that, while death was uncommon, infection with SARS-CoV-2 produced more symptoms and complications than seasonal influenza.

The study, which was published online in the journal Pediatrics, also found wide variation in how children and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 were treated.

In response to views that ranged from COVID-19 in children and adolescents being no more than the common flu to a significant danger to lesser-developed immune systems, the Observational Health Data Sciences and Informatics (OHDSI) global network, which is based at Columbia, gathered real-world observational data on more than 242,000 children and adolescents diagnosed with COVID-19, including nearly 10,000 hospitalized youths. They then compared that information to more than 2 million in that cohort diagnosed with influenza across five countries—France, Germany, South Korea, Spain, and the United States.

The study team determined that neurodevelopmental disorders, heart disease, and cancer were more common among hospitalized patients versus those just diagnosed with COVID-19. The researchers also report that dyspnea, bronchiolitis, anosmia, and gastrointestinal symptoms were more common in COVID-19 than influenza.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2021/05/28/peds.2020-042929

I realize you posted this as a statement about flu versus covid, but it also provides info on likelihood of severe covid among kids:

Hospitalization was observed in 0.3% to 1.3% of the COVID-19 diagnosed cohort, with undetectable (N<5 per database) 30-day fatality. (That's out of 242,158 covid cases in kids).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to keep up to date on the latest, but here it is from June. COVID is worse for kids than the flu:

Columbia University researchers and colleagues determined that, while death was uncommon, infection with SARS-CoV-2 produced more symptoms and complications than seasonal influenza.

The study, which was published online in the journal Pediatrics, also found wide variation in how children and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 were treated.

In response to views that ranged from COVID-19 in children and adolescents being no more than the common flu to a significant danger to lesser-developed immune systems, the Observational Health Data Sciences and Informatics (OHDSI) global network, which is based at Columbia, gathered real-world observational data on more than 242,000 children and adolescents diagnosed with COVID-19, including nearly 10,000 hospitalized youths. They then compared that information to more than 2 million in that cohort diagnosed with influenza across five countries—France, Germany, South Korea, Spain, and the United States.

The study team determined that neurodevelopmental disorders, heart disease, and cancer were more common among hospitalized patients versus those just diagnosed with COVID-19. The researchers also report that dyspnea, bronchiolitis, anosmia, and gastrointestinal symptoms were more common in COVID-19 than influenza.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2021/05/28/peds.2020-042929

I can't really make sense of this without access to the full article. At any rate, the fact that ZERO kids in DC have died of covid over the entire span of the pandemic is enough for me. Again, do not relish the thought of my kid getting Covid, but you really need to do some thinking if you're planning to pull your kid from school in the face of a non-fatal respiratory virus.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Delta variant poster: You really, really should homeschool your kids or try to get into the online academy, or do Friendship. You can't control everyone else, and everyone else is making different risk assessments from you. It seems you want to close schools again, and the risks to that are noted by everyone to be higher than the risks of covid in kids.

+1

I've seen you call someone else a 'delta variant poster' and try to send them off to a therapist or another forum. You have serious denial issues and related problematic bullying instincts.

I mean, that's not me. I don't believe in suggesting therapy across the internet, as I'm not a therapist. It just seems that you appear to be very worried about delta. Additionally, you seem to want a lot of people to do things that they aren't going to do. Suggesting that you make choices accordingly is not bullying you, nor it is denying delta.

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Right. "Get a therapist" is kind of trolly; but it's also true that there are people with anxiety disorders who should not be driving covid public policy. And I say this as a person with an anxiety disorder who made mistakes being too conservative, to the detriment of my child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to keep up to date on the latest, but here it is from June. COVID is worse for kids than the flu:

Columbia University researchers and colleagues determined that, while death was uncommon, infection with SARS-CoV-2 produced more symptoms and complications than seasonal influenza.

The study, which was published online in the journal Pediatrics, also found wide variation in how children and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 were treated.

In response to views that ranged from COVID-19 in children and adolescents being no more than the common flu to a significant danger to lesser-developed immune systems, the Observational Health Data Sciences and Informatics (OHDSI) global network, which is based at Columbia, gathered real-world observational data on more than 242,000 children and adolescents diagnosed with COVID-19, including nearly 10,000 hospitalized youths. They then compared that information to more than 2 million in that cohort diagnosed with influenza across five countries—France, Germany, South Korea, Spain, and the United States.

The study team determined that neurodevelopmental disorders, heart disease, and cancer were more common among hospitalized patients versus those just diagnosed with COVID-19. The researchers also report that dyspnea, bronchiolitis, anosmia, and gastrointestinal symptoms were more common in COVID-19 than influenza.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2021/05/28/peds.2020-042929

I realize you posted this as a statement about flu versus covid, but it also provides info on likelihood of severe covid among kids:

Hospitalization was observed in 0.3% to 1.3% of the COVID-19 diagnosed cohort, with undetectable (N<5 per database) 30-day fatality. (That's out of 242,158 covid cases in kids).

Conclusion: "COVID-19 affects children/adolescents of all ages but severe outcomes are reassuringly uncommon." Also indicates that severe outcomes are tied to comorbidities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to keep up to date on the latest, but here it is from June. COVID is worse for kids than the flu:

Columbia University researchers and colleagues determined that, while death was uncommon, infection with SARS-CoV-2 produced more symptoms and complications than seasonal influenza.

The study, which was published online in the journal Pediatrics, also found wide variation in how children and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 were treated.

In response to views that ranged from COVID-19 in children and adolescents being no more than the common flu to a significant danger to lesser-developed immune systems, the Observational Health Data Sciences and Informatics (OHDSI) global network, which is based at Columbia, gathered real-world observational data on more than 242,000 children and adolescents diagnosed with COVID-19, including nearly 10,000 hospitalized youths. They then compared that information to more than 2 million in that cohort diagnosed with influenza across five countries—France, Germany, South Korea, Spain, and the United States.

The study team determined that neurodevelopmental disorders, heart disease, and cancer were more common among hospitalized patients versus those just diagnosed with COVID-19. The researchers also report that dyspnea, bronchiolitis, anosmia, and gastrointestinal symptoms were more common in COVID-19 than influenza.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2021/05/28/peds.2020-042929

I realize you posted this as a statement about flu versus covid, but it also provides info on likelihood of severe covid among kids:

Hospitalization was observed in 0.3% to 1.3% of the COVID-19 diagnosed cohort, with undetectable (N<5 per database) 30-day fatality. (That's out of 242,158 covid cases in kids).

People are on here saying COVID is the same as the flu for kids. It is not the same, it's worse. That's my point.

What I forgot to include was the conclusion from the AAP publication: "Complications including hospitalization, hypoxemia and pneumonia were more frequent in children/adolescents with COVID-19 than with influenza."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our charter is still using the 3-5 post travel testing. I don think it would matter at a lot of schools as not everyone can afford to travel and some just are staying local. If you have the privilege to travel then just take a test before you go back.
No doubt half the class rooms will be missing teachers after every break or long weekend. I don't get why more people are upset and against requiring vaccines, masks and testing at school & during school hours. Than they are about policing peoples off days but whatever

Masks, daily rapid testing, and mandatory vaccination of all adults would basically elimiate covid risk in schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I know it's hard to keep up to date on the latest, but here it is from June. COVID is worse for kids than the flu:

Columbia University researchers and colleagues determined that, while death was uncommon, infection with SARS-CoV-2 produced more symptoms and complications than seasonal influenza.

The study, which was published online in the journal Pediatrics, also found wide variation in how children and adolescents hospitalized with COVID-19 were treated.

In response to views that ranged from COVID-19 in children and adolescents being no more than the common flu to a significant danger to lesser-developed immune systems, the Observational Health Data Sciences and Informatics (OHDSI) global network, which is based at Columbia, gathered real-world observational data on more than 242,000 children and adolescents diagnosed with COVID-19, including nearly 10,000 hospitalized youths. They then compared that information to more than 2 million in that cohort diagnosed with influenza across five countries—France, Germany, South Korea, Spain, and the United States.

The study team determined that neurodevelopmental disorders, heart disease, and cancer were more common among hospitalized patients versus those just diagnosed with COVID-19. The researchers also report that dyspnea, bronchiolitis, anosmia, and gastrointestinal symptoms were more common in COVID-19 than influenza.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2021/05/28/peds.2020-042929

I realize you posted this as a statement about flu versus covid, but it also provides info on likelihood of severe covid among kids:

Hospitalization was observed in 0.3% to 1.3% of the COVID-19 diagnosed cohort, with undetectable (N<5 per database) 30-day fatality. (That's out of 242,158 covid cases in kids).

People are on here saying COVID is the same as the flu for kids. It is not the same, it's worse. That's my point.

What I forgot to include was the conclusion from the AAP publication: "Complications including hospitalization, hypoxemia and pneumonia were more frequent in children/adolescents with COVID-19 than with influenza."

Well, that is one observational study concluding that covid is low-risk. I'm not sure about the exact comparison to flu, but the general comparison for risk assessment reasons is sound. We don't keep kids out of school for something where "severe outcomes are reassuringly
uncommon."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Travel quarantine is for unvaxxed only.

Which is all kids under 12. Most of the school system. Why are people so obtuse?

I get that it really sucks to not be able to get younger kids vaccinated. But it also sucks for those kids to get COVID, especially given mounting evidence that the Delta variant is resulting in more, sicker kids. So the travel quarantine—which as another poster notes can be shortened via testing—seems like a reasonable way to help stem spread. Most travel is a choice, and we’re all having to make hard choices right now.

All of that said, I agree that the travel quarantine could be more refined/nuanced than it is. It is silly that you can travel to the VA-TN border, where vaccination rates are likely quite low and COVID-19 rates much higher, but not to Philadelphia or NYC or Boston, where the opposite is the case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that Delta is making kids sicker. Try again.

The evidence to date is that Delta does not seem to make kids sicker if they get it, but it is more transmissible. So the total number of kids that get serious infections (e.g., hospitalizations) goes up and individual risk of hospitalization from covid goes up.

Math:
(chance of getting covid) * (chance of hospitalization if getting covid) = chance of hospitalization from covid

With delta, the chance of getting covid goes up, but the chance of hospitalization does not go up, which still means that the chance of hospitalization from covid goes up.

AT ANY RATE, the chance of hospitalization if getting covid is super low for kids, and the chance of getting covid is still low in places with low rates + higher vax rates, so the chance of hospitalization from covid for kids is still probably very low.

No, the bolded is no longer true. The covid Oprah has arrived for the unvacc'ed, which includes children. If you're not vaccinated and you gather indoors, which includes a classroom, you probably get a delta in the next two-three months, unless we take ALL OF THE MEASURES. Let's take all of the measures. Except you have the scum dcum half that is so proud of their lies and cheating around traveling and opting out of testing, and picking the 'most breathable masks', and demanding 5 full days/week so I'm not sure how/whether we can protect the kids.

False. Covid hospitalization rates for kids are still extremely low in the UK, and kids are a small proprotion of positives, even with unmasked school in the UK.

https://twitter.com/apsmunro/status/1418604716368482305

Anyone who is pondering keeping their kid out of school due to covid really needs to talk to their pediatrician and read some research. Seriously. Unless you have a medically vulnerable kid, there's no justification for it. The small additional protection from risk that you'd be giving your kid is far outweighed by depriving them of a normal life (and likely also transmitting your anxiety disorder to them.)

Here's A different graphic on covid UK pediatric hospitalizations. The yellow line is the current wave. https://twitter.com/jneill/status/1418593485360349185?s=20

I hate an unlabeled Y-axis, assuming it is raw numbers. You're talking about less than 50 newly hospitalized children per day IN ALL OF ENGLAND. Assuming that includes 12-18 year olds where the COVID risk is much like adults (worse than small children). How is this a debate, vaccinate, mask up, testing, and improve ventilation--but don't close the damn schools!