VADOE adjustments to advanced math track

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Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

You just agreed with almost everything I said while calling it wackadoodle. The default plan will be claimed to lead to calculus.
I think it will not do so, but will not be obvious because of the blending. There is no bright line distinction between prealgebra,algebra,algebra 2. Because this is the weakest kids in the default path this will have very little algebra 2, while they will still be calling it algebra 2.
Now in order to get around that and let honors kids take calculus, school districts would have to develop a more thorough curriculum. Before they could just use the state curriculum, and put kids ahead a year. Now it won't matter if kids take the default path accelerated in 7-8-9 instead of 8-9-10. They still haven't gotten the necessary algebra 2 material.

[Anonymous]

They should just be honest and say essential concepts i-ii-iii will be blended prealgebra, algebra, and geometry, then have algebra 2 as a separate class available in 11th grade and to accelerated kids who took the pathway earlier.

However, they won't do that because equity is a primary concern. They don't want to have these kids lose the path to calculus, even while they say calculus(and algebra 2) isn't important for everyone to take in high school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

You just agreed with almost everything I said while calling it wackadoodle. The default plan will be claimed to lead to calculus.
I think it will not do so, but will not be obvious because of the blending. There is no bright line distinction between prealgebra,algebra,algebra 2. Because this is the weakest kids in the default path this will have very little algebra 2, while they will still be calling it algebra 2.
Now in order to get around that and let honors kids take calculus, school districts would have to develop a more thorough curriculum. Before they could just use the state curriculum, and put kids ahead a year. Now it won't matter if kids take the default path accelerated in 7-8-9 instead of 8-9-10. They still haven't gotten the necessary algebra 2 material.

“honors kids would stay on the default plan”.
If the default plan doesn’t lead to calculus then honors kids would chose the accelerated path.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

You just agreed with almost everything I said while calling it wackadoodle. The default plan will be claimed to lead to calculus.
I think it will not do so, but will not be obvious because of the blending. There is no bright line distinction between prealgebra,algebra,algebra 2. Because this is the weakest kids in the default path this will have very little algebra 2, while they will still be calling it algebra 2.
Now in order to get around that and let honors kids take calculus, school districts would have to develop a more thorough curriculum. Before they could just use the state curriculum, and put kids ahead a year. Now it won't matter if kids take the default path accelerated in 7-8-9 instead of 8-9-10. They still haven't gotten the necessary algebra 2 material.

“honors kids would stay on the default plan”.
If the default plan doesn’t lead to calculus then honors kids would chose the accelerated path.

If VA DOE were being honest about the default plan.
It's not that simple, as explained.
To offer an accelerated path would require a bit of extra work from the school system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

You just agreed with almost everything I said while calling it wackadoodle. The default plan will be claimed to lead to calculus.
I think it will not do so, but will not be obvious because of the blending. There is no bright line distinction between prealgebra,algebra,algebra 2. Because this is the weakest kids in the default path this will have very little algebra 2, while they will still be calling it algebra 2.
Now in order to get around that and let honors kids take calculus, school districts would have to develop a more thorough curriculum. Before they could just use the state curriculum, and put kids ahead a year. Now it won't matter if kids take the default path accelerated in 7-8-9 instead of 8-9-10. They still haven't gotten the necessary algebra 2 material.

“honors kids would stay on the default plan”.
If the default plan doesn’t lead to calculus then honors kids would chose the accelerated path.

If VA DOE were being honest about the default plan.
It's not that simple, as explained.
To offer an accelerated path would require a bit of extra work from the school system.

Why would it be any more work to offer acceleration than it is to accelerate today?

Schools offer acceleration today and they can offer it with blended concepts.

[Anonymous]

And you are speculating on A2.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

You just agreed with almost everything I said while calling it wackadoodle. The default plan will be claimed to lead to calculus.
I think it will not do so, but will not be obvious because of the blending. There is no bright line distinction between prealgebra,algebra,algebra 2. Because this is the weakest kids in the default path this will have very little algebra 2, while they will still be calling it algebra 2.
Now in order to get around that and let honors kids take calculus, school districts would have to develop a more thorough curriculum. Before they could just use the state curriculum, and put kids ahead a year. Now it won't matter if kids take the default path accelerated in 7-8-9 instead of 8-9-10. They still haven't gotten the necessary algebra 2 material.

“honors kids would stay on the default plan”.
If the default plan doesn’t lead to calculus then honors kids would chose the accelerated path.

If VA DOE were being honest about the default plan.
It's not that simple, as explained.
To offer an accelerated path would require a bit of extra work from the school system.

Why would it be any more work to offer acceleration than it is to accelerate today?

Schools offer acceleration today and they can offer it with blended concepts.

To accelerate today, school districts would just offer kids to move ahead to the next class.
Under the proposal, schools could accelerate kids into this pathway sooner easily.
What would be difficult is getting them the algebra 2 material. This would now be somewhat missing from the curriculum.
It is not clear if a standalone algebra 2(or algebra or geometry) class is allowed.
Also, non-accelerated kids but instead honors kids would be even harder.
They would be on the same pathway but needing to get the algebra 2 material. The school district would have to develop the harder I-II-III pathway that truly puts kids on a path to calculus.

Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The default plan is claimed as leading to calculus, in a way that honors kids would stay on the default plan, but the reality is they will be left behind and unable to take calculus.

So many off-the-wall assumptions there.

Totally wackadoodle.

It is based on what they have said.
Is the default plan claimed as leaving a pathway to calculus in high school? Yes it is. In fact is being used as a selling point for the plan.
Is the current default for honors kids to take calculus as a senior?

Based on what they's said so far, honors (all?) kids should be able to take calculus via the default path.

If the default path doesn't actually lead to calculus for whatever reason, schools can still offer accelerated paths so honors kids can take calculus - exactly as they do today.

You just agreed with almost everything I said while calling it wackadoodle. The default plan will be claimed to lead to calculus.
I think it will not do so, but will not be obvious because of the blending. There is no bright line distinction between prealgebra,algebra,algebra 2. Because this is the weakest kids in the default path this will have very little algebra 2, while they will still be calling it algebra 2.
Now in order to get around that and let honors kids take calculus, school districts would have to develop a more thorough curriculum. Before they could just use the state curriculum, and put kids ahead a year. Now it won't matter if kids take the default path accelerated in 7-8-9 instead of 8-9-10. They still haven't gotten the necessary algebra 2 material.

“honors kids would stay on the default plan”.
If the default plan doesn’t lead to calculus then honors kids would chose the accelerated path.

If VA DOE were being honest about the default plan.
It's not that simple, as explained.
To offer an accelerated path would require a bit of extra work from the school system.

Why would it be any more work to offer acceleration than it is to accelerate today?

Schools offer acceleration today and they can offer it with blended concepts.

To accelerate today, school districts would just offer kids to move ahead to the next class.
Under the proposal, schools could accelerate kids into this pathway sooner easily.
What would be difficult is getting them the algebra 2 material. This would now be somewhat missing from the curriculum.
It is not clear if a standalone algebra 2(or algebra or geometry) class is allowed.
Also, non-accelerated kids but instead honors kids would be even harder.
They would be on the same pathway but needing to get the algebra 2 material. The school district would have to develop the harder I-II-III pathway that truly puts kids on a path to calculus.

Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

Why did VMPI tell Jay Matthews that non-algebra 2 options should be available for high schoolers if they were intending to put it in grade 10 required for all students?

They said in a recent video that pre-algebra was included in the grade 8-10 course blend.
With classes intended for the weakest students, it is obvious they will develop more for the pre-algebra side and chop off a lot of the algebra 2.
There will probably be some content. Again there is no bright dividing line between what is algebra 1 and what is algebra 2.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

Why did VMPI tell Jay Matthews that non-algebra 2 options should be available for high schoolers if they were intending to put it in grade 10 required for all students?

They said in a recent video that pre-algebra was included in the grade 8-10 course blend.
With classes intended for the weakest students, it is obvious they will develop more for the pre-algebra side and chop off a lot of the algebra 2.
There will probably be some content. Again there is no bright dividing line between what is algebra 1 and what is algebra 2.

The A2 content will go somewhere.

And there will be a path for calculus, certainly at least for honors students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

Why did VMPI tell Jay Matthews that non-algebra 2 options should be available for high schoolers if they were intending to put it in grade 10 required for all students?

They said in a recent video that pre-algebra was included in the grade 8-10 course blend.
With classes intended for the weakest students, it is obvious they will develop more for the pre-algebra side and chop off a lot of the algebra 2.
There will probably be some content. Again there is no bright dividing line between what is algebra 1 and what is algebra 2.

The A2 content will go somewhere.

And there will be a path for calculus, certainly at least for honors students.

Not without extra learning outside school. That's where the A2 content goes.
Typical honors students will be much less likely to take calculus if you have algebra/geometry/algebra 2 blend that doesn't include algebra 2 properly.
The accelerated kids will be missing this material as well, but I assume they might be able to catch up.
As for the path to calculus, VMPI doesn't even know if this path has 1 year of precalc(webinar) or 1/2 year(infographic, another webinar).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

Why did VMPI tell Jay Matthews that non-algebra 2 options should be available for high schoolers if they were intending to put it in grade 10 required for all students?

They said in a recent video that pre-algebra was included in the grade 8-10 course blend.
With classes intended for the weakest students, it is obvious they will develop more for the pre-algebra side and chop off a lot of the algebra 2.
There will probably be some content. Again there is no bright dividing line between what is algebra 1 and what is algebra 2.

The A2 content will go somewhere.

And there will be a path for calculus, certainly at least for honors students.

Not without extra learning outside school. That's where the A2 content goes.
Typical honors students will be much less likely to take calculus if you have algebra/geometry/algebra 2 blend that doesn't include algebra 2 properly.
The accelerated kids will be missing this material as well, but I assume they might be able to catch up.
As for the path to calculus, VMPI doesn't even know if this path has 1 year of precalc(webinar) or 1/2 year(infographic, another webinar).

Omg. They are NOT eliminating A2 concepts.

Stop making up these ridiculous scenarios.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

Why did VMPI tell Jay Matthews that non-algebra 2 options should be available for high schoolers if they were intending to put it in grade 10 required for all students?

They said in a recent video that pre-algebra was included in the grade 8-10 course blend.
With classes intended for the weakest students, it is obvious they will develop more for the pre-algebra side and chop off a lot of the algebra 2.
There will probably be some content. Again there is no bright dividing line between what is algebra 1 and what is algebra 2.

The A2 content will go somewhere.

And there will be a path for calculus, certainly at least for honors students.

Not without extra learning outside school. That's where the A2 content goes.
Typical honors students will be much less likely to take calculus if you have algebra/geometry/algebra 2 blend that doesn't include algebra 2 properly.
The accelerated kids will be missing this material as well, but I assume they might be able to catch up.
As for the path to calculus, VMPI doesn't even know if this path has 1 year of precalc(webinar) or 1/2 year(infographic, another webinar).

Omg. They are NOT eliminating A2 concepts.

Stop making up these ridiculous scenarios.

They're the ones who said Algebra 2 isn't necessary for everyone in high school, that alternative classes should be offered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Having this algebra 2 thrown in with pre-algebra,algebra, geometry, and stats and modeling, would suggest that the honors kids is the wrong group for this. Better to target accelerated kids to do all this in grades 6-8 or 7-9.
The regular honors kids need algebra-geometry-algebra 2 in grades 8-10, not pre-algebra.
More advanced kids should have algebra in 6th or 7th.

Citation?

You think they.....just won't offer algebra 2 content at all? Wackadoodle.......

Honors kids could accelerate and finish essentials earlier. EXACTLY like they finish A-G-A earlier today.

Why did VMPI tell Jay Matthews that non-algebra 2 options should be available for high schoolers if they were intending to put it in grade 10 required for all students?

They said in a recent video that pre-algebra was included in the grade 8-10 course blend.
With classes intended for the weakest students, it is obvious they will develop more for the pre-algebra side and chop off a lot of the algebra 2.
There will probably be some content. Again there is no bright dividing line between what is algebra 1 and what is algebra 2.

The A2 content will go somewhere.

And there will be a path for calculus, certainly at least for honors students.

Not without extra learning outside school. That's where the A2 content goes.
Typical honors students will be much less likely to take calculus if you have algebra/geometry/algebra 2 blend that doesn't include algebra 2 properly.
The accelerated kids will be missing this material as well, but I assume they might be able to catch up.
As for the path to calculus, VMPI doesn't even know if this path has 1 year of precalc(webinar) or 1/2 year(infographic, another webinar).

Omg. They are NOT eliminating A2 concepts.

Stop making up these ridiculous scenarios.

They're the ones who said Algebra 2 isn't necessary for everyone in high school, that alternative classes should be offered.

That doesn't mean they are completely eliminating the A2 concepts.

Those who want to take it (on the calculus track) will be able to take it.