VADOE adjustments to advanced math track

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Detracking was not taken off the table in April 2020 in practice. Lane said districts could offer honors or accelerated VMPI tracks if they so desired. Those have always been local decisions. He knew districts wanted detracked classes themselves. It was an artful dodge equivalent to telling a conference of vegans that they would be welcome to serve beef hot dogs for lunch. It wouldn't happen. Look at LCPS. They have book studies for math teachers on Catalyzing Change to learn the benefits of detracked classes, their math PD is geared toward differentiation which is used in detracked classes and they are scaling back math acceleration.

You are confusing local school districts, such as LCPS (local public school system), with VDOE (statewide Virginia Department of Education).

School districts have always been able to control their level of acceleration. Before VMPI and still now after.

Detracking was 100% off the table for VDOE/VMPI as of April 2020.

[Anonymous]

VDOE's VMPI was not a single entity but rather a group of people from across VA including representatives from the major VA school districts. Thus, VDOE's VMPI and the local school districts were entwined in this regard.

The VMPI school district representatives worked tirelessly under the VMPI umbrella for two years and sincerely believe in detracking. It is only logical that they will go back to their districts and try to implement VMPI's detracking objectives.

It is a continuum from VDOE/VMPI to the VMPI members' districts. Lane knew this which is why he made a public show of handing off detracking to individual VMPI members. Then detracking would be more under the radar which VDOE needed to dispel the public furor. Acceleration has always been a local decision as you say, thus Lane's & VDOE's April 2020 stance does not constitute any real change. Detracking has never been off the table for VMPI members and the VMPI continuum.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:VDOE's VMPI was not a single entity but rather a group of people from across VA including representatives from the major VA school districts. Thus, VDOE's VMPI and the local school districts were entwined in this regard.

The VMPI school district representatives worked tirelessly under the VMPI umbrella for two years and sincerely believe in detracking. It is only logical that they will go back to their districts and try to implement VMPI's detracking objectives.

It is a continuum from VDOE/VMPI to the VMPI members' districts. Lane knew this which is why he made a public show of handing off detracking to individual VMPI members. Then detracking would be more under the radar which VDOE needed to dispel the public furor. Acceleration has always been a local decision as you say, thus Lane's & VDOE's April 2020 stance does not constitute any real change. Detracking has never been off the table for VMPI members and the VMPI continuum.

CoNSpIrAcY tHeOrY!

Yes, I'm sure the math teachers will go back to their districts and secretly implement all of the VMPI changes without anyone noticing.

Or maybe they already have . . . in the METAVERSE! (evil laughter)

[Anonymous]

It is already happening in LCPS as noted. FCPS is piloting E3 math. The more gradual, the less people notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is already happening in LCPS as noted. FCPS is piloting E3 math. The more gradual, the less people notice.

LCPS is not detracking. They still offer a math path 2 grade levels ahead and they raised the bar on who can accelerate.

E3 doesn't preclude acceleration. In fact, it looks like it promotes acceleration: https://e3alliance.org/math-matters/


But... CoNSpIrAcY tHeOrY!

[Anonymous]

LCPS is not going to detrack overnight. VDOE found out the hard way about proposing to do that. You present LCPS as raising the bar. Another way to look at it is that LCPS is attempting to slowly winnow the pool of accelerated students down to the point where they can say they don't have enough kids to offer accelerated classes any more. Much easier to go that gradual route than risk parents' ire by cancelling accelerated classes outright. E3 harkens to heterogenous classes and in-class differentiation; you think that can be done successfully, others are not so optimistic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LCPS is not going to detrack overnight. VDOE found out the hard way about proposing to do that. You present LCPS as raising the bar. Another way to look at it is that LCPS is attempting to slowly winnow the pool of accelerated students down to the point where they can say they don't have enough kids to offer accelerated classes any more. Much easier to go that gradual route than risk parents' ire by cancelling accelerated classes outright. E3 harkens to heterogenous classes and in-class differentiation; you think that can be done successfully, others are not so optimistic.

Conspiracy theories aside, VMPI is dead. Anything equity related is dead.

School districts will continue to make their own decisions.

Detracking was 100% off the table for VDOE/VMPI as of April 2020.

Any changes coming out of VDOE are 100% on the Youngkin's appointed superintendent. Take it up with her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LCPS is not going to detrack overnight. VDOE found out the hard way about proposing to do that. You present LCPS as raising the bar. Another way to look at it is that LCPS is attempting to slowly winnow the pool of accelerated students down to the point where they can say they don't have enough kids to offer accelerated classes any more. Much easier to go that gradual route than risk parents' ire by cancelling accelerated classes outright. E3 harkens to heterogenous classes and in-class differentiation; you think that can be done successfully, others are not so optimistic.

Not that slowly, looking at results from Rosa Lee Carter. Stone Hill currently has two Algebra 2 classes, and now I hear RLC got just two kids into pre-algebra.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LCPS is not going to detrack overnight. VDOE found out the hard way about proposing to do that. You present LCPS as raising the bar. Another way to look at it is that LCPS is attempting to slowly winnow the pool of accelerated students down to the point where they can say they don't have enough kids to offer accelerated classes any more. Much easier to go that gradual route than risk parents' ire by cancelling accelerated classes outright. E3 harkens to heterogenous classes and in-class differentiation; you think that can be done successfully, others are not so optimistic.

Conspiracy theories aside, VMPI is dead. Anything equity related is dead.

School districts will continue to make their own decisions.

Detracking was 100% off the table for VDOE/VMPI as of April 2020.

Any changes coming out of VDOE are 100% on the Youngkin's appointed superintendent. Take it up with her.

AstroTurfing - are you paid for that?

All you do here is lie.

You well know Younkin only replaced the Superintendent of Public Instruction at DOE - AND NO ONE ELSE.

Everyone behind the VMPI is still there (aren’t you one of them?).

Why don’t you trot out the tired argument “Well, Youngkin issued an EO, so surely VMPI is fully gone, 100%.”

Um - he also issued an EO on masks in schools, and we all saw how FFX “respected” that EO.

Keep astroturfing, PP. But we know you are still pushing as much of VMPI as you can get away with. We see how you push E3 (which in practice, IS de-tracking). The country watched, as people like you completely eliminated the GATE program in NYC.

We know you want the same thing to happen here in VA.

I have to ask: are you a FFX county school board member? You certainly sound like one of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LCPS is not going to detrack overnight. VDOE found out the hard way about proposing to do that. You present LCPS as raising the bar. Another way to look at it is that LCPS is attempting to slowly winnow the pool of accelerated students down to the point where they can say they don't have enough kids to offer accelerated classes any more. Much easier to go that gradual route than risk parents' ire by cancelling accelerated classes outright. E3 harkens to heterogenous classes and in-class differentiation; you think that can be done successfully, others are not so optimistic.

Conspiracy theories aside, VMPI is dead. Anything equity related is dead.

School districts will continue to make their own decisions.

Detracking was 100% off the table for VDOE/VMPI as of April 2020.

Any changes coming out of VDOE are 100% on the Youngkin's appointed superintendent. Take it up with her.

AstroTurfing - are you paid for that?

All you do here is lie.

You well know Younkin only replaced the Superintendent of Public Instruction at DOE - AND NO ONE ELSE.

Everyone behind the VMPI is still there (aren’t you one of them?).

Why don’t you trot out the tired argument “Well, Youngkin issued an EO, so surely VMPI is fully gone, 100%.”

Um - he also issued an EO on masks in schools, and we all saw how FFX “respected” that EO.

Keep astroturfing, PP. But we know you are still pushing as much of VMPI as you can get away with. We see how you push E3 (which in practice, IS de-tracking). The country watched, as people like you completely eliminated the GATE program in NYC.

We know you want the same thing to happen here in VA.

I have to ask: are you a FFX county school board member? You certainly sound like one of them.

I'm a parent who hates liars.

Youngkin controls VDOE. He appointed the Superintendent who will own any of the proposed changes that come out of the curriculum update.

The VDOE VMPI initiative is dead. Along with anything else with "equity" in its name at VDOE.

Local school districts are still fairly autonomous in some aspects.

E3 isn't detracking and actually encourages advanced math for more kids.


If you don't like what VDOE is doing, take it up with Youngkin or Balow.
If you don't like what your school district is doing, take it up with the administration or board.