PSA: Please do not host a Christian seder

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

Christmas is not "mostly secular" for many people, and most of Judaism is practiced in the home in any case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are Jews offended by the children of interfaith couples (half Jewish) having a seder? My children have attended one all of their lives with the Jewish side of the family. They didn’t have bat mitzvahs, but this is an important holiday to them. Will it give offense to others is they host one as adults?

No, because they are Jews and not trying to infuse the seder with eau de Jesus. Pre-rabbinic Judaism used patrilineal descent as the determiner of Jewishness. Orthodox/Conservative Judaism still uses matrilineal descent as the marker. Other streams of Judaism use patrilineal descent. The state of Israel uses one Jewish grandparent of either gender. If your children identify as Jews, they are members of the tribe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

One of my local churches advertised their "seder" to parishioners and visitors, so perhaps the analogy for Christians is your local mosque advertising their Easter service, which when you attend you find the elements of a Christian Easter service have been changed to tell the story of Muhammed performing the Hajj.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews having a Christmas tree is not the same thing as Christians hosting a seder. But thanks for making it all about Christians.

No "jew" should have a Christmas tree. Ridiculous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

One of my local churches advertised their "seder" to parishioners and visitors, so perhaps the analogy for Christians is your local mosque advertising their Easter service, which when you attend you find the elements of a Christian Easter service have been changed to tell the story of Muhammed performing the Hajj.

lol

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

One of my local churches advertised their "seder" to parishioners and visitors, so perhaps the analogy for Christians is your local mosque advertising their Easter service, which when you attend you find the elements of a Christian Easter service have been changed to tell the story of Muhammed performing the Hajj.

lol

Exactly!! Can you imagine the outcry if Muslims did this?

I'm Jewish and I don't REALLY care. It just seems like the latest in a long line of cultural stealing from Jewish culture and repackaging it w/o trying to actually understand Judaism.

Jesus was NOT at a Passover seder. Such things did not exist until the Middle Ages!

Stop trying to insert Jesus into everything!!

If you really want to go to a seder, great! Come to mine! Lost of Jews would love to host you. But don't make it about Jesus, k?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

One of my local churches advertised their "seder" to parishioners and visitors, so perhaps the analogy for Christians is your local mosque advertising their Easter service, which when you attend you find the elements of a Christian Easter service have been changed to tell the story of Muhammed performing the Hajj.

lol

Exactly!! Can you imagine the outcry if Muslims did this?

I'm Jewish and I don't REALLY care. It just seems like the latest in a long line of cultural stealing from Jewish culture and repackaging it w/o trying to actually understand Judaism.

Jesus was NOT at a Passover seder. Such things did not exist until the Middle Ages!

Stop trying to insert Jesus into everything!!

If you really want to go to a seder, great! Come to mine! Lost of Jews would love to host you. But don't make it about Jesus, k?

Seriously! Can’t they leave anything alone?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jews having a Christmas tree is not the same thing as Christians hosting a seder. But thanks for making it all about Christians.

No "jew" should have a Christmas tree. Ridiculous.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

Yup! A Christmas tree and Santa have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.

Santa and Christmas trees may not have anything to do with the birth of Jesus but its a Christian tradition and not secular.

Umm, not really. They were pagan traditions.

That got glommed into Christianity. Thus, now they are Christian traditions.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Agreed. And Jews should not celebrate Christmas, either.

the analogy is really that Jews should not light advent candles. Christmas is mostly secular; passover seders are home-based religious rituals.

Yup! A Christmas tree and Santa have nothing to do with the birth of Jesus.

Santa and Christmas trees may not have anything to do with the birth of Jesus but its a Christian tradition and not secular.

Umm, not really. They were pagan traditions.

That got glommed into Christianity. Thus, now they are Christian traditions.

[Anonymous]

I just want to say that as a Christian, I learned a lot from this thread. Thanks, all!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews having a Christmas tree is not the same thing as Christians hosting a seder. But thanks for making it all about Christians.

actually it is. As a Christian I believe in the Passover story. A Jewish person does t actually believe Jesus was Gods son.

The Old Testament is part of Christianity. It’s part of the Christian religious tradition. Similarly, much of the Bible also overlaps with the Quran — it’s part of the Islamic religion. I don’t think many Christians realize that Jesus is a prophet in the Quran. Similarly, many Jews discount the relevance of Jewish prophets in Christianity. The three religions have so much overlap that we are called the people of the book.

Sigh. The New Testament is a new covenant which abrogated the law of the Old Testament. That's ... kind of the whole point of Christianity?

This is how once upon a time the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament has been explained to me as a kid..

So..
The entire Old testament is basically the 10 commandments... the rest is to explain and illustrate this.
The New Testament is just one commandment: Though shell love your neighbor like yourself... the rest is to illustrate and explain this.

The New Testament does not abrogate the Old Testament. Jesus says in Matthew 5:17-20:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A17-20&version=NIV

As a Christian, I have attended one Passover Seder (It was almost 30 years ago and I can't remember that term specifically, but I believe that's what it was) conducted by a congregation of Messianic Jews - Jews who also believed in Jesus. It was deeply meaningful to me as it illustrated how connected the Old Testament and the New Testament are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In Catholic school, we had a Sedar because this was Jesus’ Last Supper, when He was celebrating the Jewish feast of Passover with His apostles. After that, He led Peter, James, and John to the Garden of Gethsemane and urged them to stay awake with Him to pray, but they were weak and fell asleep. He sweated drops of blood He was in such agony and asked His Father to let the cup pass (let Him avoid the excruciating death He knew was in front of Him) but acknowledged that He would of course do His Father’s will. Then Judas arrived with the high priests and guards to arrest Him.

As long as you realize that’s NOTHING like Passover.

Yes, so that is all we are doing. NOT trying to glom into your religious tradition, not trying to insert Jesus into your religion, etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews having a Christmas tree is not the same thing as Christians hosting a seder. But thanks for making it all about Christians.

actually it is. As a Christian I believe in the Passover story. A Jewish person does t actually believe Jesus was Gods son.

The Old Testament is part of Christianity. It’s part of the Christian religious tradition. Similarly, much of the Bible also overlaps with the Quran — it’s part of the Islamic religion. I don’t think many Christians realize that Jesus is a prophet in the Quran. Similarly, many Jews discount the relevance of Jewish prophets in Christianity. The three religions have so much overlap that we are called the people of the book.

Sigh. The New Testament is a new covenant which abrogated the law of the Old Testament. That's ... kind of the whole point of Christianity?

This is how once upon a time the difference between the Old Testament and the New Testament has been explained to me as a kid..

So..
The entire Old testament is basically the 10 commandments... the rest is to explain and illustrate this.
The New Testament is just one commandment: Though shell love your neighbor like yourself... the rest is to illustrate and explain this.

The New Testament does not abrogate the Old Testament. Jesus says in Matthew 5:17-20:

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A17-20&version=NIV

As a Christian, I have attended one Passover Seder (It was almost 30 years ago and I can't remember that term specifically, but I believe that's what it was) conducted by a congregation of <b>Messianic Jews - Jews who also believed in Jesus.</b> It was deeply meaningful to me as it illustrated how connected the Old Testament and the New Testament are.

Messianic "jews" aren't Jews. Real Jews don't believe Jesus was the Messiah.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In Catholic school, we had a Sedar because this was Jesus’ Last Supper, when He was celebrating the Jewish feast of Passover with His apostles. After that, He led Peter, James, and John to the Garden of Gethsemane and urged them to stay awake with Him to pray, but they were weak and fell asleep. He sweated drops of blood He was in such agony and asked His Father to let the cup pass (let Him avoid the excruciating death He knew was in front of Him) but acknowledged that He would of course do His Father’s will. Then Judas arrived with the high priests and guards to arrest Him.

As long as you realize that’s NOTHING like Passover.

Yes, so that is all we are doing. NOT trying to glom into your religious tradition, not trying to insert Jesus into your religion, etc.

Yeah, I hope you’re not.