MoCo opening mass vax site - thank you Marc Elrich

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You are the one making accusations with no evidence. And complainy posts on DCUM is not evidence - that's just normal MoCo White people who have made complaining into an art long before the pandemic. MoCo has a large population that is older than the rest of the state, and not much vaccine hesitancy. It means there is a lot of demand. That is a good thing.

lol..

I'm not white. You just made an accusation with no evidence.

And there is evidence. MoCo is super slow compared to most of the US, even within MD.

They are also super slow opening up schools, too, and this also negatively impacts URM more so than white people, btw.

https://www.thesentinel.com/communities/montgomery/opinion/twenty-maryland-counties-call-on-gov-hogan-to-enforce-his-3-1-deadline-for-counties/article_f05026ca-8aab-11eb-8c26-d7e858a79d11.html

As I stated, MoCo's uber concern for equity is causing the entire county to return to normal more slowly than the rest of the country. That hurts low income people more. Can't see the forest for the trees.

In conclusion, you have no evidence relevant to vaccines.

I also definitely never said you were White. You were talking about DCUM posters, who are definitely mostly White, no question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are the one making accusations with no evidence. And complainy posts on DCUM is not evidence - that's just normal MoCo White people who have made complaining into an art long before the pandemic. MoCo has a large population that is older than the rest of the state, and not much vaccine hesitancy. It means there is a lot of demand. That is a good thing.

lol..

I'm not white. You just made an accusation with no evidence.

And there is evidence. MoCo is super slow compared to most of the US, even within MD.

They are also super slow opening up schools, too, and this also negatively impacts URM more so than white people, btw.

https://www.thesentinel.com/communities/montgomery/opinion/twenty-maryland-counties-call-on-gov-hogan-to-enforce-his-3-1-deadline-for-counties/article_f05026ca-8aab-11eb-8c26-d7e858a79d11.html

As I stated, MoCo's uber concern for equity is causing the entire county to return to normal more slowly than the rest of the country. That hurts low income people more. Can't see the forest for the trees.

In conclusion, you have no evidence relevant to vaccines.

MoCo's evidence -- lot of URM not signing up for vaccines. Do they have any evidence that it's due to lack of access to internet? Or could it be because many in that group distrust vaccines and the government?

In conclusion you also have zero evidence that black/brown people aren't getting vaccinated because they are being pushed out by white people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are the one making accusations with no evidence. And complainy posts on DCUM is not evidence - that's just normal MoCo White people who have made complaining into an art long before the pandemic. MoCo has a large population that is older than the rest of the state, and not much vaccine hesitancy. It means there is a lot of demand. That is a good thing.

lol..

I'm not white. You just made an accusation with no evidence.

And there is evidence. MoCo is super slow compared to most of the US, even within MD.

They are also super slow opening up schools, too, and this also negatively impacts URM more so than white people, btw.

https://www.thesentinel.com/communities/montgomery/opinion/twenty-maryland-counties-call-on-gov-hogan-to-enforce-his-3-1-deadline-for-counties/article_f05026ca-8aab-11eb-8c26-d7e858a79d11.html

As I stated, MoCo's uber concern for equity is causing the entire county to return to normal more slowly than the rest of the country. That hurts low income people more. Can't see the forest for the trees.

In conclusion, you have no evidence relevant to vaccines.

MoCo's evidence -- lot of URM not signing up for vaccines. Do they have any evidence that it's due to lack of access to internet? Or could it be because many in that group distrust vaccines and the government?

In conclusion you also have zero evidence that black/brown people aren't getting vaccinated because they are being pushed out by white people.
[/quotstill.no evidence MoCo is slow and more false claims https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

[Anonymous]

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are the one making accusations with no evidence. And complainy posts on DCUM is not evidence - that's just normal MoCo White people who have made complaining into an art long before the pandemic. MoCo has a large population that is older than the rest of the state, and not much vaccine hesitancy. It means there is a lot of demand. That is a good thing.

lol..

I'm not white. You just made an accusation with no evidence.

And there is evidence. MoCo is super slow compared to most of the US, even within MD.

They are also super slow opening up schools, too, and this also negatively impacts URM more so than white people, btw.

https://www.thesentinel.com/communities/montgomery/opinion/twenty-maryland-counties-call-on-gov-hogan-to-enforce-his-3-1-deadline-for-counties/article_f05026ca-8aab-11eb-8c26-d7e858a79d11.html

As I stated, MoCo's uber concern for equity is causing the entire county to return to normal more slowly than the rest of the country. That hurts low income people more. Can't see the forest for the trees.

In conclusion, you have no evidence relevant to vaccines.

MoCo's evidence -- lot of URM not signing up for vaccines. Do they have any evidence that it's due to lack of access to internet? Or could it be because many in that group distrust vaccines and the government?

In conclusion you also have zero evidence that black/brown people aren't getting vaccinated because they are being pushed out by white people.

Right- it’s clear that black/brown folks are being vaccinated at a lower rate, but I haven’t seen an attempt to tweeze out the reasons why. I’m sure that for some folks internet access, or the ability to spend time on the internet, is an issue. Which is why I support bringing the vaccine TO essential workers rather than making them fight for it. But, even when you do, you can’t make them take it. My sister works at a nursing home where only half of the staff accepted the vaccines offered to them. Staff is majority POC. There’s a lot of distrust due to history.

[Anonymous]

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Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

The people I work with had the opportunity to get the vaccine and decided not to. I noticed in the article a lot of the people they talked to are older, many of the people I work with are 25-50

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

The people I work with had the opportunity to get the vaccine and decided not to. I noticed in the article a lot of the people they talked to are older, many of the people I work with are 25-50

Are you surprised older people are in more of a rush to get the vaccine? I don't know what you are getting at. There is survey data (also cited in the article) talking about how vaccine hesitancy rates among Black people are only slightly higher than White people. A lot more scientific than "the people I work with". Stop making excuses for not giving Black people vaccines.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

Even in MoCo, with all their efforts to prioritize POC? Where are they going wrong?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

Even in MoCo, with all their efforts to prioritize POC? Where are they going wrong?

I don't think the disparity is as large in MoCo but bear in mind Hogan only gives a small share of doses to county health departments, as you know many MoCo residents are traveling out of county to state run mass vax sites (which just exacerbates the statewide inequity - not blaming those people but Hogan should really be making sure people in PG and Baltimore can actually use the mass vax sites) or snagging appointments at Giant/CVS/Safeway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

Even in MoCo, with all their efforts to prioritize POC? Where are they going wrong?

I don't think the disparity is as large in MoCo but bear in mind Hogan only gives a small share of doses to county health departments, as you know many MoCo residents are traveling out of county to state run mass vax sites (which just exacerbates the statewide inequity - not blaming those people but Hogan should really be making sure people in PG and Baltimore can actually use the mass vax sites) or snagging appointments at Giant/CVS/Safeway.

(I’m not asking in a combative way or to be a jerk) How can Hogan make sure PG residents use the mass vaccination sites? I watch his press conferences and from what I understand is there are several sites in PG that are exclusively for PG residence that are located at churches, community centers as well as the health departments. I also think there have been days set apart specifically for county residence at six flags. To encourage more poc people getting vaccinated, there are campaigns specifically geared towards those communities featuring come in at black and Hispanic members advocating for the vaccine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

Even in MoCo, with all their efforts to prioritize POC? Where are they going wrong?

I don't think the disparity is as large in MoCo but bear in mind Hogan only gives a small share of doses to county health departments, as you know many MoCo residents are traveling out of county to state run mass vax sites (which just exacerbates the statewide inequity - not blaming those people but Hogan should really be making sure people in PG and Baltimore can actually use the mass vax sites) or snagging appointments at Giant/CVS/Safeway.

(I’m not asking in a combative way or to be a jerk) How can Hogan make sure PG residents use the mass vaccination sites? I watch his press conferences and from what I understand is there are several sites in PG that are exclusively for PG residence that are located at churches, community centers as well as the health departments. I also think there have been days set apart specifically for county residence at six flags. To encourage more poc people getting vaccinated, there are campaigns specifically geared towards those communities featuring come in at black and Hispanic members advocating for the vaccine.

Well it sounds like you think those efforts have been effective/enough, but the data don't show that.

[Anonymous]

The way to ensure equity is to create a system that, unlike the system Hogan set up, doesn't depend on who has the best broadband access and time at home. Just because he had a press conference about pop up clinics doesn't mean enough has been invested/enough doses are being given to people in the most hard-hit communities. You can make all the announcements you want but the proof is in the pudding.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Statewide, Black people represent 31 percent of Maryland’s population but only 16 percent of vaccine recipients for whom race has been reported. That disparity has grown wider over the past two months, according to a state analysis. But a Goucher College poll released Monday shows vaccine hesitancy decreasing in recent months, with about 31 percent of White Marylanders and 36 percent of Black state residents wary of being inoculated

Maryland’s governor says Black residents don’t want to get vaccinated. But thousands are seeking shots.
By Rachel Chason and Erin Cox

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/prince-georges-vaccine-hogan/2021/03/05/0987c5a8-7832-11eb-9537-496158cc5fd9_story.html

my work is essential and we employ close to 1000 employees, 80% are black. we recently received the email to get the vaccine where they set up a clinic for us. 12% got it. They set up another 6% more got it.

That is the realty.

What a lovely anecdote that completely ignores the data and evidence that plenty of Black people in Maryland
A. Want the vaccine
B. Haven't been able to get appointments

Even in MoCo, with all their efforts to prioritize POC? Where are they going wrong?

I don't think the disparity is as large in MoCo but bear in mind Hogan only gives a small share of doses to county health departments, as you know many MoCo residents are traveling out of county to state run mass vax sites (which just exacerbates the statewide inequity - not blaming those people but Hogan should really be making sure people in PG and Baltimore can actually use the mass vax sites) or snagging appointments at Giant/CVS/Safeway.

(I’m not asking in a combative way or to be a jerk) How can Hogan make sure PG residents use the mass vaccination sites? I watch his press conferences and from what I understand is there are several sites in PG that are exclusively for PG residence that are located at churches, community centers as well as the health departments. I also think there have been days set apart specifically for county residence at six flags. To encourage more poc people getting vaccinated, there are campaigns specifically geared towards those communities featuring come in at black and Hispanic members advocating for the vaccine.

Well it sounds like you think those efforts have been effective/enough, but the data don't show that.

DP. What else, specifically, should the state be doing? I know of several non-tech savvy older people who were able to get appointments at the six flags site over the phone. And when the state only sets up two mass vax sites in the area, of course residents will come from other counties.

Two of the primary goals from a public health perspective are to 1) vaccinate as many people as possible, and 2) vaccinate as many vulnerable/high risk as possible. When your vulnerable/at risk population is eager to participate, as most elderly are, you can accomplish both goals at once. But when the vulnerable/at risk are hesitant and need some extra attention, it slows down goal #1. Conversely, if you abdicate any responsibility to reach out to the hesitant, it slows down goal #2. It’s a balancing act to figure out how much to prioritize one goal over the expense of the other.