The Talk put on hiatus thanks to Sharon Osbourne

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

[Anonymous]

We are just going to have to agree to disagree. There is no point trying to argue and rationalize something if the two sides are so detached from one other. It’s like trying to convince flat earthers of the truth. People will believe what they choose to believe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

+1. These people crave the meaning they find in their identities as warriors for social justice. So for them, two rich celebrities disagreeing on TV is comparable to what happened to George Floyd.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

You don't need to call me names just because we disagree. Lots of people did argue that that was not an instance of racism. I'm not sure where you were, but there was plenty of that happening.

My point was that for many people, there is actually no way to meet their burden of proof for what constitutes racism if they want to pretend racism doesn't exist.

If the only time a POC is allowed to say that racism is a factor is when enough white people also find it racist, we will never have the conversations around racism that need to be had. That burden of proof is always shifting, because truly, a lot of white people would prefer not having those conversations.

Piers may not believe he is racist. Sharon may not believe he is racist. But to say that his actions have no roots in his feeling of superiority over her as a black woman and his subconscious anger at her for not knowing her place? I find that equally ridiculous, but I'm not going to call you a name.

It should not have to rise to the level of racial slurs, white hoods, and street lynchings for POC to say something is racist and for you to believe us. I agree that not every instance of racism or prejudice should result in the destruction of someone's career. But I also strongly disagree that pointing these issues out more frequently and requiring people with an overly simplistic understanding of racism to explore the nuances and many faces of it somehow "cheapens" it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

I disagree. Who’s to decide where to draw the fine line between offensive and hurtful to downright racist. Who can do this? Is there an objective way to measure this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

I disagree. Who’s to decide where to draw the fine line between offensive and hurtful to downright racist. Who can do this? Is there an objective way to measure this?

The person who fired him, in this case. I would venture to guess they have better information than all of us around the entire issue.

To answer your second question, no. There is no objective measure of racism. Like there is no objective measure of sexism. It happens. We know that. It can be hard to identify. History has often taken the side of the victimizer over the victim. Maybe it's okay to try something new?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

No. People get fired for all sorts of reasons. Sometimes they are good reasons and sometimes they are not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

He wasn’t fired because of racism. At least get your facts straight! He was fired because her ridiculed her suicide claims. This is why people like you are not taken seriously and just bring further detriment to the entire cause.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

He wasn’t fired because of racism. At least get your facts straight! He was fired because her ridiculed her suicide claims. This is why people like you are not taken seriously and just bring further detriment to the entire cause.

Oh you got me! Racism isn't real. Pack it up everyone. They figured it out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

I disagree. Who’s to decide where to draw the fine line between offensive and hurtful to downright racist. Who can do this? Is there an objective way to measure this?

The person who fired him, in this case. I would venture to guess they have better information than all of us around the entire issue.

To answer your second question, no. There is no objective measure of racism. Like there is no objective measure of sexism. It happens. We know that. It can be hard to identify. History has often taken the side of the victimizer over the victim. Maybe it's okay to try something new?

Maybe we can try something new, sure. But we also need to look at each individual claim separately, and with all claims of sexism, racism, agism, there are going to be people who are wrongly accused. We can’t assume because the majority agrees that something is racist or sexist, that it actually is. This is entering into slippery slope territory and if we are going down this path, we must ALL be held to the same standards.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

He wasn’t fired because of racism. At least get your facts straight! He was fired because her ridiculed her suicide claims. This is why people like you are not taken seriously and just bring further detriment to the entire cause.

Oh you got me! Racism isn't real. Pack it up everyone. They figured it out.

It's so fun when White people try to dictate to Black people, when they are or are not victims of racism.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

I disagree. Who’s to decide where to draw the fine line between offensive and hurtful to downright racist. Who can do this? Is there an objective way to measure this?

The person who fired him, in this case. I would venture to guess they have better information than all of us around the entire issue.

To answer your second question, no. There is no objective measure of racism. Like there is no objective measure of sexism. It happens. We know that. It can be hard to identify. History has often taken the side of the victimizer over the victim. Maybe it's okay to try something new?

Maybe we can try something new, sure. But we also need to look at each individual claim separately, and with all claims of sexism, racism, agism, there are going to be people who are wrongly accused. We can’t assume because the majority agrees that something is racist or sexist, that it actually is. This is entering into slippery slope territory and if we are going down this path, we must ALL be held to the same standards.

Slippery slope is a logical fallacy, not a real thing.

It's far more harmful to err on the side of questioning victims than it is to err on the side of believing them. Research has shown that the rate of people being falsely accused is actually quite small. So small that it makes very little sense for us it to be the first concern when a victim comes forward, even though it always is.

I'm black. I've encountered racism my entire life. I've never made any formal accusations of racism. The same goes for victims of sexism, agism, and ever other victimized population. Specifically because as soon as you do people are screeching for proof, trying to prove you wrong. The reality is that most instances go unreported, and the ones that are reported? Those people felt strongly enough about it that they were willing to deal with all the crap that inevitably comes with stepping forward.

So generally, if someone makes a complaint of racism? They legitimately feel they have been a victim of racism, so strongly that they are willing to risk themselves and their peace to say so. Stop bending over backwards to ensure no one is ever falsely accused of racism, and think about all the racism that goes on and no one says or does anything about it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I can't believe someone actually brought George Floyd into this argument. What the actual hell.

I used it as an example of the most egregious, and one would think obvious, examples of modern racism, where even that video is not enough "proof" for someone who doesn't want to see racism.

I'm not in any way saying the situations are equal.

You’re an idiot. Nobody in their right mind is arguing that wasn’t racism. The facts are CLEAR in that instance. Those same facts are missing in all accusations that Piers and Sharon are racist. There are literally no facts at all to support racist claims against them except that Piers criticized Meghan which in itself is not evidence of racism simply because she’s 1/4 black. Are you even listening to yourselves?

If that were true, he would not have been fired. Someone with the power to make that decision found enough cause to do so.

He wasn’t fired because of racism. At least get your facts straight! He was fired because her ridiculed her suicide claims. This is why people like you are not taken seriously and just bring further detriment to the entire cause.

Oh you got me! Racism isn't real. Pack it up everyone. They figured it out.

It's so fun when White people try to dictate to Black people, when they are or are not victims of racism.

Could you ever be accused of being agist, or sexist, or racist at times? Do you treat everyone you meet exactly the same way? You have zero biases towards anyone?

[Anonymous]

Piers Morgan has launched a years long campaign of hate against a woman for deciding he wasn't worth having another pint with 5 years ago. A notable uptick in hatred towards her than other people. So is it sexism or is it misogyny? Why can't it be both?

- A black woman's meaningless and subtle rejection fueled a half decade of vitriol toward her
- He drove Jameela Jamil to consider suicide after a similarly focused and irrational hate filled vendetta
- A black coworker bringing up his irrational hatred of MM caused him to storm off the set for the first time ever

Oh and here are a random sampling of some other things he's tweeted over the years that make these vendettas seem racist in context.

He responded to a picture of Amber Rose (which I can't post because it is expliit) to "put it away" and tweeted Kim Kardashian that he would 'buy her some clothes' in response to a picture she tweeted.

Here's him mocking chinese people: https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/celebrity-news/ofcom-piers-morgan-chinese-language-peter-phillips-a4341301.html



So in conclusion, he has said a bunch of racist stuff, which makes his weird fixation on MM seem both misogynist AND racist. But I'd also just throw out there, he's a hateful and horrible person. Maybe he's an equal opportunity hateful and horrible person, but if you're hateful and horrible you're going to be called out for being that way to both everyone and the unique groups. And if you are hateful to everyone, why is Sharon Osborne defending you anyway? "I'm an absolutely horrible person to literally everyone" is a weird defense of racism and does not make you a more appealing person to be around.

- white person, who decided to educate you despite it being pointless