The Talk put on hiatus thanks to Sharon Osbourne

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If its nuanced couldn’t it be interpreted differently by different people? That’s what nuance is. I’m not ignorant and I don’t see anything racist about Piers’ statements or Sharon’s statements for that matter. Maybe because it’s impossible to see it from my perspective. I can appreciate that you may see racism here, but I honestly can’t see it. It’s like one of those 3D puzzles or the blue and white dress thing, different people see completely opposite things.

And this is why white people should NEVER discount racism. Because you simply don't know what it is. Err on the side of the minority. Ijs...

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i skipped right to page 15 because i knew this thread would be delving into ways to disprove racists and/or racist behavior. and sure enough, there's well-actually-ing about nuance and analogies to labeling someone's husband a racist. oh and how scary it is to be called a racist

[Anonymous]

Bump.

Bc it matters.

[Anonymous]

Sharon is the new Karen.

[Anonymous]

I thought it was pretty racist when he wrote that MM better not start “lecturing about equality” while living the royal life. MM’s main points for equality were race based, so yeah, that struck me as racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought it was pretty racist when he wrote that MM better not start “lecturing about equality” while living the royal life. MM’s main points for equality were race based, so yeah, that struck me as racist.

That doesn’t seem racist at all to me. Her point is that equality includes an economic or financial component; that’s what arguably makes MM a hypocrite on the issue of equality. I don’t think MM has ever suggested she cares about equality *but only* those issues of equality related specifically to race.

This is an example of why I won’t just accept others’ judgments on whether someone is racist. People’s interpretations can differ. Let everyone see the evidence and judge for themselves.

[Anonymous]

Better to have my head in the sand than have my reputation maliciously ruined over some ‘nuanced’ statements I made or because of my ‘tone’. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

You're assuming malice when people call out racism, and that's not really what's happening. Racism hurts. Living every day in a racist society HURTS. I literally feel it in my body at the end of the week.

What you're seeing is a pain response from a lot of people who have never truly had a voice. For the first time, really ever, a lot of people in power are listening, so the people in pain are talking about who and what are hurting them. Yes, we aren't always great at communicating that pain in ways that you all understand. Yes, sometimes the response is overzealous. But in general, it's not malicious.

I hope that you can understand that. And I hope you can make the choice to not bury your head in the sand. This is difficult for all of us, and not everyone has the option to hide from it. There are days I wish to goodness I could, so I absolutely understand your fear and exhaustion.

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So black people can be assholes but a white person can't say a THING about it or their character or they are racist?

That is some next level BS. Every black person must be put on a pedestal and not called out for their shit? Yeah, there are some shitty black people just like there are shitty white people. I would hope to call them out equally.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Better to have my head in the sand than have my reputation maliciously ruined over some ‘nuanced’ statements I made or because of my ‘tone’. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

You're assuming malice when people call out racism, and that's not really what's happening. Racism hurts. Living every day in a racist society HURTS. I literally feel it in my body at the end of the week.

What you're seeing is a pain response from a lot of people who have never truly had a voice. For the first time, really ever, a lot of people in power are listening, so the people in pain are talking about who and what are hurting them. Yes, we aren't always great at communicating that pain in ways that you all understand. Yes, sometimes the response is overzealous. But in general, it's not malicious.

I hope that you can understand that. And I hope you can make the choice to not bury your head in the sand. This is difficult for all of us, and not everyone has the option to hide from it. There are days I wish to goodness I could, so I absolutely understand your fear and exhaustion.

Thank you, I can appreciate that. While many accusations of racism are solidly legitimate, the concern is that much can be misunderstood or misinterpreted if we are basing accusations on tone or nuance or attitude. There’s much room for error here. No one is a mind reader.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Better to have my head in the sand than have my reputation maliciously ruined over some ‘nuanced’ statements I made or because of my ‘tone’. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

You're assuming malice when people call out racism, and that's not really what's happening. Racism hurts. Living every day in a racist society HURTS. I literally feel it in my body at the end of the week.

What you're seeing is a pain response from a lot of people who have never truly had a voice. For the first time, really ever, a lot of people in power are listening, so the people in pain are talking about who and what are hurting them. Yes, we aren't always great at communicating that pain in ways that you all understand. Yes, sometimes the response is overzealous. But in general, it's not malicious.

I hope that you can understand that. And I hope you can make the choice to not bury your head in the sand. This is difficult for all of us, and not everyone has the option to hide from it. There are days I wish to goodness I could, so I absolutely understand your fear and exhaustion.

Very well articulated. I’m listening. White woman here. Trying to do the work. I see you. I support you. It is not in your mind. It is not very nuanced. It’s pretty damn obvious once you see it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Better to have my head in the sand than have my reputation maliciously ruined over some ‘nuanced’ statements I made or because of my ‘tone’. In this case, ignorance is bliss.

You're assuming malice when people call out racism, and that's not really what's happening. Racism hurts. Living every day in a racist society HURTS. I literally feel it in my body at the end of the week.

What you're seeing is a pain response from a lot of people who have never truly had a voice. For the first time, really ever, a lot of people in power are listening, so the people in pain are talking about who and what are hurting them. Yes, we aren't always great at communicating that pain in ways that you all understand. Yes, sometimes the response is overzealous. But in general, it's not malicious.

I hope that you can understand that. And I hope you can make the choice to not bury your head in the sand. This is difficult for all of us, and not everyone has the option to hide from it. There are days I wish to goodness I could, so I absolutely understand your fear and exhaustion.

Very well articulated. I’m listening. White woman here. Trying to do the work. I see you. I support you. It is not in your mind. It is not very nuanced. It’s pretty damn obvious once you see it.

But it can’t be accurate every single time just based on feelings, it’s impossible for that to be. It’s too subjective to really gauge. What one POC finds totally acceptable another POC would be reporting the accuser and ruining a reputation.

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^accused not accuser

[Anonymous]

Yep. My BFF is from St. Kitts and REFUSES to be labeled as African American because he is NOT. He prefers the term "Black".
I have other friends who find the term 'black' to be a negative label and prefer African American be used.

Really, as a white person you can't win unless you know EXACTLY what the person prefers and if they will grant grace if you say something stupid but not racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yep. My BFF is from St. Kitts and REFUSES to be labeled as African American because he is NOT. He prefers the term "Black".
I have other friends who find the term 'black' to be a negative label and prefer African American be used.

Really, as a white person you can't win unless you know EXACTLY what the person prefers and if they will grant grace if you say something stupid but not racist.

I think a lot of this really has little to do with racism. At it's core the issue is empathy and kindness. What's missing in a lot of interactions is the trust required to assume good intentions.

I don't have strong feelings one way or another about how people refer to me as a Black woman. But if I did, I can't possibly expect everyone to know that, so I should gently inform them. But that also requires the person on the receiving end to also assume good intentions and not fly off the handle at being corrected. If the response to having to deal with the fact that not all black people are the same is going to be getting in a huff about PC culture, that breaks down trust and makes it harder for me to be open and assume good intentions with the next white person. Similarly, if I fly off the handle at being called African American, I make it more difficult for you to do the same.

Moving forward is going to require more people to both be willing to assume good intentions AND to actually approach people with better, more aware, more honest intentions.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why people watch that show or The View.