DC data on learning loss

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:My kids used to get more instruction each day than they now get, in total, each week.

How do you know this? Were you in the classroom with your children?

oh, fun, i see. you're suggesting that teachers were farting around in their classrooms in person, and those same teachers are no longer farting around and that also the test results don't really mean anything so that you cannot be proven wrong.

No, I'm stating that you weren't in the classroom with your child so you don't have any real measure of how much instruction they really received. But now that you sat behind them you are an expert. (second sentence is sarcasm)

First day of school this year every parent complained their kids weren't focused. Every other year we never saw our precious children weren't focused on the first day of school so we couldn't complain.

This is a strange (and very pedantic) rationalization.

My kids get about 1.5 hours of school per day, four days per week. They used to love school but they despise online learning, because they are way too young for it, and they barely pay attention now to anything to teacher says.

So you would have us believe that a grand total of six hours of instruction per week, that they only sort of pay attention to, is no different than the 40 hours of school they used to get each week, which they told us they loved?

I think the real issue here is teachers love remote learning because it makes their lives very easy and they dont want to ever give that up.

[Anonymous]

I agree PP. We have teachers who had pretty horrendous commutes before the pandemic, and now don't want to come back. Way easier to just log in from home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:You’d think the health of our kids would be more important than some percentage points.

People, it’s a pandemic. Who cares about test scores?? I just want my kids to live and not have adverse long term side effects.

Not being able to read is much more likely to cause adverse long term side effects for the average child than Covid-19.

Newsflash: these problems existed before the pandemic (just look at the data from beforehand). What were all you “reopen the schools for the sake of the poor minority children” folks saying then? What were you doing about it?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So my issue is the majority of people crying about “learning loss” don’t actually care, they’re just using Black and Brown people as a tool in their game.

This is the most bizarre argument: "You didn't care before so you can't care now."

Look, I understand that the point may be that white people are being disingenuous about their concern for brown and Black kids. That's real. But maybe also they are starting to care, because they are being presented with data like this?

OK, I'l bite. I'm a white parent and I care - albeit for selfish reasons.

My kids are doing fine academically then and now in public schools, but next year, do you think they will elevate the curriculum to keep the kids on their grade level curriculum or spend much of the time remediating the learning loss of non-white students?

We will continue with math and reading tutors for the next few years to keep my elementary kids challenged.

[Anonymous]

The summer slide is known and well researched, right? How could anyone think that there isn't a learning loss associated with schools being closed/severely limited for an extended period of time? I don't understand people arguing that the data isn't real. You may think it's an acceptable trade off for safety in these circumstances, but that doesn't mean it isn't real.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the health of our kids would be more important than some percentage points.

People, it’s a pandemic. Who cares about test scores?? I just want my kids to live and not have adverse long term side effects.

Not being able to read is much more likely to cause adverse long term side effects for the average child than Covid-19.

Newsflash: these problems existed before the pandemic (just look at the data from beforehand). What were all you “reopen the schools for the sake of the poor minority children” folks saying then? What were you doing about it?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So my issue is the majority of people crying about “learning loss” don’t actually care, they’re just using Black and Brown people as a tool in their game.

Mayor Bowser very much wants to open schools. Last I checked, she's black.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the health of our kids would be more important than some percentage points.

People, it’s a pandemic. Who cares about test scores?? I just want my kids to live and not have adverse long term side effects.

Not being able to read is much more likely to cause adverse long term side effects for the average child than Covid-19.

Newsflash: these problems existed before the pandemic (just look at the data from beforehand). What were all you “reopen the schools for the sake of the poor minority children” folks saying then? What were you doing about it?

Nothing. Absolutely nothing. So my issue is the majority of people crying about “learning loss” don’t actually care, they’re just using Black and Brown people as a tool in their game.

This is the most bizarre argument: "You didn't care before so you can't care now."

Look, I understand that the point may be that white people are being disingenuous about their concern for brown and Black kids. That's real. But maybe also they are starting to care, because they are being presented with data like this?

OK, I'l bite. I'm a white parent and I care - albeit for selfish reasons.

My kids are doing fine academically then and now in public schools, but next year, do you think they will elevate the curriculum to keep the kids on their grade level curriculum or spend much of the time remediating the learning loss of non-white students?

We will continue with math and reading tutors for the next few years to keep my elementary kids challenged.

I hate the idea because it's suggesting that people cannot learn or improve (or that it is a bad thing)...which is basically what education is about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the health of our kids would be more important than some percentage points.

People, it’s a pandemic. Who cares about test scores?? I just want my kids to live and not have adverse long term side effects.

Not being able to read is much more likely to cause adverse long term side effects for the average child than Covid-19.

If only the vast, vast majority of children lived with parents who can read.

Oh, wait, they do! It doesn't take "curriculum" to teach kids to read. It takes effort.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the health of our kids would be more important than some percentage points.

People, it’s a pandemic. Who cares about test scores?? I just want my kids to live and not have adverse long term side effects.

Not being able to read is much more likely to cause adverse long term side effects for the average child than Covid-19.

If only the vast, vast majority of children lived with parents who can read.

Oh, wait, they do! It doesn't take "curriculum" to teach kids to read. It takes effort.

Oh christ. By this logic, why do we have schools? Why do we have teachers?

[Anonymous]

Just another day of cringing excessively on DCUM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My kids used to get more instruction each day than they now get, in total, each week.

How do you know this? Were you in the classroom with your children?

oh, fun, i see. you're suggesting that teachers were farting around in their classrooms in person, and those same teachers are no longer farting around and that also the test results don't really mean anything so that you cannot be proven wrong.

No, I'm stating that you weren't in the classroom with your child so you don't have any real measure of how much instruction they really received. But now that you sat behind them you are an expert. (second sentence is sarcasm)

First day of school this year every parent complained their kids weren't focused. Every other year we never saw our precious children weren't focused on the first day of school so we couldn't complain.

This is a strange (and very pedantic) rationalization.

My kids get about 1.5 hours of school per day, four days per week. They used to love school but they despise online learning, because they are way too young for it, and they barely pay attention now to anything to teacher says.

So you would have us believe that a grand total of six hours of instruction per week, that they only sort of pay attention to, is no different than the 40 hours of school they used to get each week, which they told us they loved?

I think the real issue here is teachers love remote learning because it makes their lives very easy and they dont want to ever give that up.

This.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I mean, did you read that one thread with Mom McChores who, to provide her child with the socialization that the daughter was missing, encouraged the daughter to call stores and complain?

That was REAL. That was an actual person who thought that was a good idea.

I think. Who knows, anymore, though.

Yes. I saw that, and that was surreal. I also had to really think if the poster above was satire or pro-DL. Hard to tell!

Another Karen making a new karen. its the circle of life

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You’d think the health of our kids would be more important than some percentage points.

People, it’s a pandemic. Who cares about test scores?? I just want my kids to live and not have adverse long term side effects.

Not being able to read is much more likely to cause adverse long term side effects for the average child than Covid-19.

If only the vast, vast majority of children lived with parents who can read.

Oh, wait, they do! It doesn't take "curriculum" to teach kids to read. It takes effort.

And f*ck those kids whose parents can't read! Or who don't have parents! Or who have absent parents!

[Anonymous]

Are pro-DL people seriously arguing there has not been significant learning loss in DL, particularly amongst the most vulnerable student populations? Is that really a point that is genuinely being made?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Are pro-DL people seriously arguing there has not been significant learning loss in DL, particularly amongst the most vulnerable student populations? Is that really a point that is genuinely being made?

I've heard it here and in my peer group. An article making this argument was also posted on my school's parent page. So it seems like yes. It doesn't seem to be just a few random trolls.

[Anonymous]

No one is pro-DL. People are making the best of a bad situation and want all teachers vaccinated before returning. And some families need the parents vaccinated before their kids return.

Homeschool teaching really only needs a few hours a day but school is 6 hours a day. A lot of school is get in line, cut this paper and wait while kids cut the paper, read in your small groups, etc. Direct instruction is not a lot of time.

DL still sucks but in a pandemic its the best option.

My teachers walk or bike to school. My teachers have walked or biked to see our kids from a distance.