Lottery is Off the Table

[Anonymous]

TJ does not want the “attention.” We are sick of the hate, attacks and racism.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

Chevy fcps website for violations and disciplinary actions for all the HS in the county. TJ has the fewest among all of them by a substantial margins.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Whites have a tendency to demonize any group that threatens their position with manufactured infractions.

Every school could use some TJ culture, a culture of collegiality, hard work and excellence. PPP probably never set foot in TJ and knows very little about TJ except the racial makeup. I wish the school board and the superintendent would at least recognize these kids' amazing accomplishments in spite of the bureaucrats' constant sabotage. The principal of TJ is not an advocate for her students either. TJ is great as it is all because of the wonderful teachers and students.

The same can be said for many other schools, except those schools thrive despite not getting 1/10th the attention that TJ regularly commands.

I'm not sure that TJ commands 10x the attention of say Langley, McLean, Marshall, Oakton, Chantilly, etc. By what measure are you saying this?

You're right. It's more like 50X the attention.

DP. It's not like Brabrand and the SB don't have a million other pressing issues to work on. Maybe get the DL/in-person hybrid working first, or protect their employee database so they don't get hacked, or under utilized Langley High, or real issues of achievement gap at the elementary school level, ... I am not sure why they paid this much attention to TJ, which the school on its own is doing just fine.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

[Anonymous]

It blows my mind that it's October and they are still trying to rush this through for this year's admissions class when they have all the DL/return to school issues to deal with. What they should do is take the year to figure out a feasible and better thought out approach supported by data and then implement it for the next year.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Whites have a tendency to demonize any group that threatens their position with manufactured infractions.

Every school could use some TJ culture, a culture of collegiality, hard work and excellence. PPP probably never set foot in TJ and knows very little about TJ except the racial makeup. I wish the school board and the superintendent would at least recognize these kids' amazing accomplishments in spite of the bureaucrats' constant sabotage. The principal of TJ is not an advocate for her students either. TJ is great as it is all because of the wonderful teachers and students.

The same can be said for many other schools, except those schools thrive despite not getting 1/10th the attention that TJ regularly commands.

I'm not sure that TJ commands 10x the attention of say Langley, McLean, Marshall, Oakton, Chantilly, etc. By what measure are you saying this?

You're right. It's more like 50X the attention.

DP. It's not like Brabrand and the SB don't have a million other pressing issues to work on. Maybe get the DL/in-person hybrid working first, or protect their employee database so they don't get hacked, or under utilized Langley High, or real issues of achievement gap at the elementary school level, ... I am not sure why they paid this much attention to TJ, which the school on its own is doing just fine.

It got elevated because publicity around the low number of Black kids admitted to the Class of 2024 dovetailed with the state Department of Education requiring school districts operating Governor's Schools to submit diversity plans by early October.

The Fairfax NAACP and others realized that they could push for change at TJ now in an environment where parents couldn't show up in person at work sessions and Board meetings to protest. Keys Gamarra basically does what the NAACP wants, and she got other members to go along. Most of the School Board members dislike TJ either because of TJ's demographics or because it doesn't admit many kids from their magisterial districts.

They struggle greatly to agree on what TJ should be, and hesitate even to discuss that broader topic, which really ought to inform their approach to admissions. It's hard to see how it won't continue to chew up staff and Board time and resources. They have an endless ability to ask questions to postpone making decisions.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

As a parent of one kid who went to TJ and two kids who went to base high school, I am always fascinated by the perception stated above. First, Challenge Success seemed a very legitimate organization to me with a comprehensive assessment of TJ culture and I was impressed that TJ was willing to submit to the study and provide the results - we don't have "compelling evidence" that cheating is lower at other HS as I don't believe any other FCPS HS has been willing - given my experience at the base HS, I think they would not like the results. My kids at base HS reported rampant cheating. Second, TJ students out-perform other FCPS HS on nearly every standardized measure (FWIW) - PSAT, AP, SAT, other competitions - why is so hard to accept that TJ produces over-achievers?

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

As a parent of one kid who went to TJ and two kids who went to base high school, I am always fascinated by the perception stated above. First, Challenge Success seemed a very legitimate organization to me with a comprehensive assessment of TJ culture and I was impressed that TJ was willing to submit to the study and provide the results - we don't have "compelling evidence" that cheating is lower at other HS as I don't believe any other FCPS HS has been willing - given my experience at the base HS, I think they would not like the results. My kids at base HS reported rampant cheating. Second, TJ students out-perform other FCPS HS on nearly every standardized measure (FWIW) - PSAT, AP, SAT, other competitions - why is so hard to accept that TJ produces over-achievers?

Again, you don't have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools.

It is always amazing how quickly TJ parents conflate proficiency on standardized tests with virtue.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Whites have a tendency to demonize any group that threatens their position with manufactured infractions.

Every school could use some TJ culture, a culture of collegiality, hard work and excellence. PPP probably never set foot in TJ and knows very little about TJ except the racial makeup. I wish the school board and the superintendent would at least recognize these kids' amazing accomplishments in spite of the bureaucrats' constant sabotage. The principal of TJ is not an advocate for her students either. TJ is great as it is all because of the wonderful teachers and students.

The same can be said for many other schools, except those schools thrive despite not getting 1/10th the attention that TJ regularly commands.

I'm not sure that TJ commands 10x the attention of say Langley, McLean, Marshall, Oakton, Chantilly, etc. By what measure are you saying this?

You're right. It's more like 50X the attention.

DP. It's not like Brabrand and the SB don't have a million other pressing issues to work on. Maybe get the DL/in-person hybrid working first, or protect their employee database so they don't get hacked, or under utilized Langley High, or real issues of achievement gap at the elementary school level, ... I am not sure why they paid this much attention to TJ, which the school on its own is doing just fine.

It got elevated because publicity around the low number of Black kids admitted to the Class of 2024 dovetailed with the state Department of Education requiring school districts operating Governor's Schools to submit diversity plans by early October.

The Fairfax NAACP and others realized that they could push for change at TJ now in an environment where parents couldn't show up in person at work sessions and Board meetings to protest. Keys Gamarra basically does what the NAACP wants, and she got other members to go along. Most of the School Board members dislike TJ either because of TJ's demographics or because it doesn't admit many kids from their magisterial districts.

They struggle greatly to agree on what TJ should be, and hesitate even to discuss that broader topic, which really ought to inform their approach to admissions. It's hard to see how it won't continue to chew up staff and Board time and resources. They have an endless ability to ask questions to postpone making decisions.

Yeah, a Governor's School should be for all the residents of the area, not just for the ones who attend the right prep schools. Many of us know this and agree with it. Then there's the ones who just point to "other" reasons for declining applications and problems with the admissions process.

And now you're even blaming the pandemic...

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

As a parent of one kid who went to TJ and two kids who went to base high school, I am always fascinated by the perception stated above. First, Challenge Success seemed a very legitimate organization to me with a comprehensive assessment of TJ culture and I was impressed that TJ was willing to submit to the study and provide the results - we don't have "compelling evidence" that cheating is lower at other HS as I don't believe any other FCPS HS has been willing - given my experience at the base HS, I think they would not like the results. My kids at base HS reported rampant cheating. Second, TJ students out-perform other FCPS HS on nearly every standardized measure (FWIW) - PSAT, AP, SAT, other competitions - why is so hard to accept that TJ produces over-achievers?

Again, you don't have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools.

It is always amazing how quickly TJ parents conflate proficiency on standardized tests with virtue.

LOL - fine, demand that your HS sign up with Challenge Success or some other anonymous measure of culture and cheating so some comparable data would exist. Until then, I will rely on my actual experiences at two different schools.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

As a parent of one kid who went to TJ and two kids who went to base high school, I am always fascinated by the perception stated above. First, Challenge Success seemed a very legitimate organization to me with a comprehensive assessment of TJ culture and I was impressed that TJ was willing to submit to the study and provide the results - we don't have "compelling evidence" that cheating is lower at other HS as I don't believe any other FCPS HS has been willing - given my experience at the base HS, I think they would not like the results. My kids at base HS reported rampant cheating. Second, TJ students out-perform other FCPS HS on nearly every standardized measure (FWIW) - PSAT, AP, SAT, other competitions - why is so hard to accept that TJ produces over-achievers?

Again, you don't have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools.

It is always amazing how quickly TJ parents conflate proficiency on standardized tests with virtue.

LOL - fine, demand that your HS sign up with Challenge Success or some other anonymous measure of culture and cheating so some comparable data would exist. Until then, I will rely on my actual experiences at two different schools.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Whites have a tendency to demonize any group that threatens their position with manufactured infractions.

Every school could use some TJ culture, a culture of collegiality, hard work and excellence. PPP probably never set foot in TJ and knows very little about TJ except the racial makeup. I wish the school board and the superintendent would at least recognize these kids' amazing accomplishments in spite of the bureaucrats' constant sabotage. The principal of TJ is not an advocate for her students either. TJ is great as it is all because of the wonderful teachers and students.

The same can be said for many other schools, except those schools thrive despite not getting 1/10th the attention that TJ regularly commands.

I'm not sure that TJ commands 10x the attention of say Langley, McLean, Marshall, Oakton, Chantilly, etc. By what measure are you saying this?

You're right. It's more like 50X the attention.

DP. It's not like Brabrand and the SB don't have a million other pressing issues to work on. Maybe get the DL/in-person hybrid working first, or protect their employee database so they don't get hacked, or under utilized Langley High, or real issues of achievement gap at the elementary school level, ... I am not sure why they paid this much attention to TJ, which the school on its own is doing just fine.

It got elevated because publicity around the low number of Black kids admitted to the Class of 2024 dovetailed with the state Department of Education requiring school districts operating Governor's Schools to submit diversity plans by early October.

The Fairfax NAACP and others realized that they could push for change at TJ now in an environment where parents couldn't show up in person at work sessions and Board meetings to protest. Keys Gamarra basically does what the NAACP wants, and she got other members to go along. Most of the School Board members dislike TJ either because of TJ's demographics or because it doesn't admit many kids from their magisterial districts.

They struggle greatly to agree on what TJ should be, and hesitate even to discuss that broader topic, which really ought to inform their approach to admissions. It's hard to see how it won't continue to chew up staff and Board time and resources. They have an endless ability to ask questions to postpone making decisions.

Yeah, a Governor's School should be for all the residents of the area, not just for the ones who attend the right prep schools. Many of us know this and agree with it. Then there's the ones who just point to "other" reasons for declining applications and problems with the admissions process.

And now you're even blaming the pandemic...

If you don't think the advantages of the Board's acting now when they can avoid in-person protests hasn't been openly discussed, you aren't following very closely.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

As a parent of one kid who went to TJ and two kids who went to base high school, I am always fascinated by the perception stated above. First, Challenge Success seemed a very legitimate organization to me with a comprehensive assessment of TJ culture and I was impressed that TJ was willing to submit to the study and provide the results - we don't have "compelling evidence" that cheating is lower at other HS as I don't believe any other FCPS HS has been willing - given my experience at the base HS, I think they would not like the results. My kids at base HS reported rampant cheating. Second, TJ students out-perform other FCPS HS on nearly every standardized measure (FWIW) - PSAT, AP, SAT, other competitions - why is so hard to accept that TJ produces over-achievers?

Again, you don't have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools.

It is always amazing how quickly TJ parents conflate proficiency on standardized tests with virtue.

LOL - fine, demand that your HS sign up with Challenge Success or some other anonymous measure of culture and cheating so some comparable data would exist. Until then, I will rely on my actual experiences at two different schools.

+1

Anecdotes don't become data even when they are spouted by self-important TJ parents.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Whites have a tendency to demonize any group that threatens their position with manufactured infractions.

Every school could use some TJ culture, a culture of collegiality, hard work and excellence. PPP probably never set foot in TJ and knows very little about TJ except the racial makeup. I wish the school board and the superintendent would at least recognize these kids' amazing accomplishments in spite of the bureaucrats' constant sabotage. The principal of TJ is not an advocate for her students either. TJ is great as it is all because of the wonderful teachers and students.

The same can be said for many other schools, except those schools thrive despite not getting 1/10th the attention that TJ regularly commands.

I'm not sure that TJ commands 10x the attention of say Langley, McLean, Marshall, Oakton, Chantilly, etc. By what measure are you saying this?

You're right. It's more like 50X the attention.

DP. It's not like Brabrand and the SB don't have a million other pressing issues to work on. Maybe get the DL/in-person hybrid working first, or protect their employee database so they don't get hacked, or under utilized Langley High, or real issues of achievement gap at the elementary school level, ... I am not sure why they paid this much attention to TJ, which the school on its own is doing just fine.

They have to pander to blacks.

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Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

This has to do with the test prep culture and cheating scandal, not ethnicity,

Nope, plenty of kids there didn’t prep to get in and most do not cheat. Cheating is actually lower than at other high schools. But you don’t want facts; you want to rely in stereotypes: Asian kids prep and cheat, TJ is majority Asian, therefore TJ’s culture is prepping and cheating. Simplistic, weak minded and wrong.

I doubt you have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools. Responses to anonymous student surveys isn't very persuasive.

As a parent of one kid who went to TJ and two kids who went to base high school, I am always fascinated by the perception stated above. First, Challenge Success seemed a very legitimate organization to me with a comprehensive assessment of TJ culture and I was impressed that TJ was willing to submit to the study and provide the results - we don't have "compelling evidence" that cheating is lower at other HS as I don't believe any other FCPS HS has been willing - given my experience at the base HS, I think they would not like the results. My kids at base HS reported rampant cheating. Second, TJ students out-perform other FCPS HS on nearly every standardized measure (FWIW) - PSAT, AP, SAT, other competitions - why is so hard to accept that TJ produces over-achievers?

Again, you don't have compelling evidence that cheating at TJ is lower than at other schools.

It is always amazing how quickly TJ parents conflate proficiency on standardized tests with virtue.

Check fcps website on violations and disciplinary actions and see the data for all high schools. TJ has the lowest numbers.