Lottery is Off the Table

[Anonymous]

The work session raised more questions than it answered.

This is nowhere near being resolved.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now they'll devise a plan designed to increase URM in a more targeted manner, while still maintaining high merit-based academic standards.

These things can't exist currently and are in direct competition with each other.

I hope they can exist in the future by reforming AAP to be truly for the gifted instead of overwhelmed with well off whites and asians who are above average but aren't gifted in many cases.

There are a lot of white and Asian kids who may not be gifted but will not reach their academic potential if they are stuck in classes with kids with limited language skills or behavioral problems. It sounds nicer to put them in AAP that admit the other kids are in a remedial class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The work session raised more questions than it answered.

This is nowhere near being resolved.

Best solution would be to turn it back into a neighborhood school with a STEM academy where kids from other schools could also take science classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Now they'll devise a plan designed to increase URM in a more targeted manner, while still maintaining high merit-based academic standards.

These things can't exist currently and are in direct competition with each other.

I hope they can exist in the future by reforming AAP to be truly for the gifted instead of overwhelmed with well off whites and asians who are above average but aren't gifted in many cases.

How do you identify "truly gifted"?

[Anonymous]

Why don't they do just what MCPS did... use "peer cohort" criteria? But just so you know. that did not move the needle that much for increasing URM. It just increased white population.

[Anonymous]

They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

[Anonymous]

It's, de facto, off the table because the board is demanding quantifiable metrics so the superintendent can be held accountable for the results of the lottery, but he would never do that because he would be digging himself into a legal hole by providing proof of an unconstitutional quota.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

[Anonymous]

They should just admit a certain percentage of FARMS and call it a day. That wouldn't be unconstitutional (unlike race). We need to move on from this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

[Anonymous]

I have no problem with a holistic admissions process except I don’t think it can be executed accurately to identify the best fit kids. Still way better than a lottery of kids with a 3.5.

I am concerned by the school board members who want to abandon the regional quotas in favor of school quotas. That will definitely result in uneven readiness and penalizes some schools with zero notice and rewards others.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

Really? What's wrong with the culture? And how is telling the URMs the only way they'll get into TJ is if there's a random lottery supposed to improve things?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They should still allow 20% of the students from each region. They can do it using the application process but each region in FCPS should receive 20% of the slots.

It’s not good enough for the School Board members who know some pyramids within a region have stronger students than others.

Something has to give. This is a lot better than a lottery.

But it all starts in elementary school - that is where the resources should be spent.

There is a fight for the really talented URMs by the time you get to high school - regional privates, boarding schools, etc. If they are talented and financially constrained, they can go to these schools for free. They are much better represented in those schools.

You all are ignoring the other elephant.

The culture of the school needs to be fixed. A change in admissions to a lottery would accomplish this. If not a lottery, then a different change will be needed.

You understand that language is code for anti Asian American racism, right? The culture of the school is fine or even better. You have no direct knowledge of the school’s culture yet freely speak about it.

More directly: The culture of the school is cheating. It needs to be fixed. By a lottery or another way. Fixing the culture benefits all students, Asian American and everyone.