Possible legal challenge against TJ lottery

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Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

The likely end result of implementing a lottery will be that more white kids end up at TJ. So given that outcome, I assume a conservative court will instead uphold it (giving a different, legally-sound reason though).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

The likely end result of implementing a lottery will be that more white kids end up at TJ. So given that outcome, I assume a conservative court will instead uphold it (giving a different, legally-sound reason though).

White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

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Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

The likely end result of implementing a lottery will be that more white kids end up at TJ. So given that outcome, I assume a conservative court will instead uphold it (giving a different, legally-sound reason though).

White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

you say this with such certainty, but still haven't cited a single case

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Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

The likely end result of implementing a lottery will be that more white kids end up at TJ. So given that outcome, I assume a conservative court will instead uphold it (giving a different, legally-sound reason though).

White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

you say this with such certainty, but still haven't cited a single case

I am not in the business of giving free legal advise.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

The likely end result of implementing a lottery will be that more white kids end up at TJ. So given that outcome, I assume a conservative court will instead uphold it (giving a different, legally-sound reason though).

White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

you say this with such certainty, but still haven't cited a single case

I am not in the business of giving free legal advise.

you clearly believe judges will rule a certain way. I'm guessing it's more a matter of you being full of shit

[Anonymous]

While we're at this, why don't we make UVA and Virginia Tech lotteries as well? They are also state institutions as well. Serious question, where do we draw the line for lotteries?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

How should these families change and what are the suggestions. Everyone does what they like to do, if getting to TJ is like getting gold medal for them they are working on it and earning it. Not everyone who preps gets in also. Having another magnet is a good idea.

they're free to prep and strive and do what they want. The county decided they wanted to give kids who didn't have those opportunities a chance so they designed a system to distribute TJ slots more widely

And it will be struck down by a conservative judge or conservative court after fcps wastes millions of tax payer money.

The likely end result of implementing a lottery will be that more white kids end up at TJ. So given that outcome, I assume a conservative court will instead uphold it (giving a different, legally-sound reason though).

White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

you say this with such certainty, but still haven't cited a single case

I am not in the business of giving free legal advise.

you clearly believe judges will rule a certain way. I'm guessing it's more a matter of you being full of shit

No, full of legal knowledge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:While we're at this, why don't we make UVA and Virginia Tech lotteries as well? They are also state institutions as well. Serious question, where do we draw the line for lotteries?

We should have a lottery for aap as well.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:While we're at this, why don't we make UVA and Virginia Tech lotteries as well? They are also state institutions as well. Serious question, where do we draw the line for lotteries?

We should have a lottery for aap as well.

I am going to Vegas ..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While we're at this, why don't we make UVA and Virginia Tech lotteries as well? They are also state institutions as well. Serious question, where do we draw the line for lotteries?

We should have a lottery for aap as well.

I am going to Vegas ..

We should have a lottery for jobs as well. As long as the applicants meet some basic requirements, go into the lottery pool.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While we're at this, why don't we make UVA and Virginia Tech lotteries as well? They are also state institutions as well. Serious question, where do we draw the line for lotteries?

We should have a lottery for aap as well.

I am going to Vegas ..

We should have a lottery for jobs as well. As long as the applicants meet some basic requirements, go into the lottery pool.

We should have a lottery for school sport teams as well for all those meeting basic requirements.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:While we're at this, why don't we make UVA and Virginia Tech lotteries as well? They are also state institutions as well. Serious question, where do we draw the line for lotteries?

We should have a lottery for aap as well.

I am going to Vegas ..

We should have a lottery for jobs as well. As long as the applicants meet some basic requirements, go into the lottery pool.

Local/state/federal jobs yes, but not private because a private company can do whatever it wants to do. Unless of course you're able to change a federal equal employment law. I like your style of thinking.

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White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

I have to assume that folks who post this sort of nonsense haven't grown up in countries with a functioning rule of law. "Disparate impact" is not a magic word that one can throw around and immediately get the response one wants, nor are "conservative judges" going to overturn years of precedent just to protect admissions at one public school in Virginia.

For what it's worth, "disparate impact" is not determined based on the status quo, but rather on the general population. So...a lottery system that grants more slots to majority white sending middle schools could trigger a disparate impact ruling, but a random lottery for all kids who pass a certain threshold? There's no disparate impact there, unless you compare against the current population, and that's not how the law works.

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White numbers may go up slightly but that will not stop conservative judges from prohibiting an admissions system that considers a race or results in disparate impact since a court decision impacts an entire state or multiple states. The judge may not care about TJ but would certainly love to strike down a system that allows for a boost for blacks. They hate racial preferences period.

I have to assume that folks who post this sort of nonsense haven't grown up in countries with a functioning rule of law. "Disparate impact" is not a magic word that one can throw around and immediately get the response one wants, nor are "conservative judges" going to overturn years of precedent just to protect admissions at one public school in Virginia.

For what it's worth, "disparate impact" is not determined based on the status quo, but rather on the general population. So...a lottery system that grants more slots to majority white sending middle schools could trigger a disparate impact ruling, but a random lottery for all kids who pass a certain threshold? There's no disparate impact there, unless you compare against the current population, and that's not how the law works.

Whites cannot compete with Asians. So whites will institute a lottery to increase their numbers and decrease Asian numbers.
How is this different from what White Supremacists used to do?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I really don't think a disparate impact approach is going to work here, because the only way to argue "disparate impact" is to uphold the status quo.

Yes, a lottery will have a disparate impact on Asian and white students, but only insofar as NOT having a lottery upholds the current status quo, which is really not how that legal argument has traditionally been interpreted.

The lottery will increase white students! It only reduces Asian American students.