Possible legal challenge against TJ lottery

[Anonymous]

Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That old case doesn't invalidate all lotteries. It invalidated a lottery used over 20 years ago that was expressly race-weighted, which the TJ proposal is not.

OP sounds like a moron who just wants to keep the deck stacked in favor of people who pay to play by enrolling their kids in test prep centers with special access to exam questions.

Courts always look at old judgments ..

Can we send Athletes to Olympics with no prep ? if you want Gold medal, yes you need dedication, skill and prep

Why dont FCPS start another STEM program at different low rated high school with TJ Principal and some staff ? so access to more students and improves diversity too.

I don't know who needs to hear this, but the fact that lots of families in this area see admission to TJ as equivalent to an Olympic Gold medal, or an NBA roster spot, or even a high school team roster spot is maybe the best argument for why TJ is the toxic environment that it is, and that it needs to fundamentally change.

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

That Asians are being discriminated against became they make up 70% of the student body under the current system and won't be anywhere near that under the new system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

There isn't one. You're dismantling a fundamentally and manifestly racist system of admissions (standardized testing is proven to have disparate impacts) and replacing it with one that is largely based on chance. You can argue the merits of why it's a good or a bad idea (I happen to think that it's well-intentioned but a cop-out), but it withstands legal scrutiny in charter schools across the country and will withstand legal scrutiny with respect to a Governor's School as well.

The Supreme Court is not going to take this case up in a million years. Dream on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

That Asians are being discriminated against became they make up 70% of the student body under the current system and won't be anywhere near that under the new system.

That doesn't answer the question, nor is it necessarily correct. If they make up 70% of the lottery pool in each jurisdiction then they'll make up 70% of the incoming class and there's nothing preventing that from happening - unless it can be proven that they're being discriminated against in the holistic review process, which would require years of data to prove.

[Anonymous]

This is a state issue. The SC will stay out of this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

That Asians are being discriminated against became they make up 70% of the student body under the current system and won't be anywhere near that under the new system.

That doesn't answer the question, nor is it necessarily correct. If they make up 70% of the lottery pool in each jurisdiction then they'll make up 70% of the incoming class and there's nothing preventing that from happening - unless it can be proven that they're being discriminated against in the holistic review process, which would require years of data to prove.

Why dont we have admission test to make up 70% of the incoming class in each jurisdiction ? that way , even students would not have the feeling of I got lucky so I got into TJ or no luck factor?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

There isn't one. You're dismantling a fundamentally and manifestly racist system of admissions (standardized testing is proven to have disparate impacts) and replacing it with one that is largely based on chance. You can argue the merits of why it's a good or a bad idea (I happen to think that it's well-intentioned but a cop-out), but it withstands legal scrutiny in charter schools across the country and will withstand legal scrutiny with respect to a Governor's School as well.

The Supreme Court is not going to take this case up in a million years. Dream on.

It doesn’t need to be addressed by the Supreme Court since Trump appointed hundreds of ultra conservative district court judges and appellate court judges including in the EDVA and the fourth circuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

There isn't one. You're dismantling a fundamentally and manifestly racist system of admissions (standardized testing is proven to have disparate impacts) and replacing it with one that is largely based on chance. You can argue the merits of why it's a good or a bad idea (I happen to think that it's well-intentioned but a cop-out), but it withstands legal scrutiny in charter schools across the country and will withstand legal scrutiny with respect to a Governor's School as well.

The Supreme Court is not going to take this case up in a million years. Dream on.

It doesn’t need to be addressed by the Supreme Court since Trump appointed hundreds of ultra conservative district court judges and appellate court judges including in the EDVA and the fourth circuit.

I bet the fcps is sh***ing in their pants when they found out about the potential of a super majority conservative supreme court. Oops.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

The white students population is diminishing in TJ every year ..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

In your wet dream. Just wait a year or two.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Asked in another thread.... What exactly is the legal rationale for challenging the lottery system?

there isn't one. No group has an intrinsic right to a certain number of seats at a school. A suit against tj going to a lottery would fare about as well as white parents calling desegregation race based discrimination

In your wet dream. Just wait a year or two.

the sense of entitlement is hilarious. No one in public school is guaranteed a TJ level education, if you want to ensure you kids gets it, pay for a comparable private

[Anonymous]

Still no one has actually posted a legal rationale for contesting the lottery system.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Still no one has actually posted a legal rationale for contesting the lottery system.

Disparate impact.