Yale discriminated against whites and Asians, per Justice Department

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Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I am very suspicions that the DOJ suddenly takes in an interests in the discrimination against Asians. Right now the DOJ and FBI are targeting many Asian scientists in US for their supposedly links to the countries when they came from. Moreover, Trump is banning the wechat, which is mostly used by Chinese, not Americans, to connect each other and their friends and relative in China.

We Asians should be not a paw for the Trump's DOJ.

There is no conspiracy here. The focus includes Asian-Americans for a few reasons. The difference in treatment is even easier to illustrate, because the differential in objective criteria is even more substantial. It disproves the “holistic” admissions defense, unless you are willing to bite the bullet and accept that Asians are systematically deficient in the softer categories (essays, recommendations, extracurricular) relative to other groups. (For the record, I think that’s crazy.). And, perhaps most importantly, it avoids the issue that some people think (although fewer say) that its ok to discriminate against whites (or, more charitably, think that isn’t discrimination at all). Nobody will explicitly say that it is ok to treat Asians worse because of their race (although objectively a lot of people are fine with that), so they have to defend their practices on the merits.

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Huh? What do you want a lottery? Colleges just full of wealthy girls that can sit still, study and do well on tests?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Everyone knows reverse racism exists. That's why people with 1 drip of black blood pretend to be black.

+1. See e.g. Harris who was raised by her Asian mom since her parents divorced when she was 7, but claimed as African American.

Her father is black, she's not claiming to be black, she is black. Also, Asians consider half black/half Asian kids black. I have biracial black/white kids and all their white friends refer to them as black and all my white friends refer to them as black, despite them knowing my kids have a white parent. Society does no treat them as biracial, they treat them as black. And, by the way, whites invented the one drop rule.

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All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

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^^^vastly

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Sffa will get kicked up to scotus - Roberts 5v4

You better hope Ruth doesn’t kick the bucket

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

I have no issue with “holistic” admissions in theory. In practice, it is used to discriminate against whites and Asians, particularly in jurisdictions that have outlawed explicit racial discrimination in admissions. Just as it was used to discriminate against Jews many decades ago. Schools cannot be trusted on this point, so IMO all once can do is maximize the use of objective criteria. It’s a second-best solution, no doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Pre-election MAGA pandering.

Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true and horribly discriminatory.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pre-election MAGA pandering.

Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean it’s not true and horribly discriminatory.

Perhaps, but that doesn’t mean it is true and there is no discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I am very suspicions that the DOJ suddenly takes in an interests in the discrimination against Asians. Right now the DOJ and FBI are targeting many Asian scientists in US for their supposedly links to the countries when they came from. Moreover, Trump is banning the wechat, which is mostly used by Chinese, not Americans, to connect each other and their friends and relative in China.

We Asians should be not a paw for the Trump's DOJ.

There is no conspiracy here. The focus includes Asian-Americans for a few reasons. The difference in treatment is even easier to illustrate, because the differential in objective criteria is even more substantial. It disproves the “holistic” admissions defense, unless you are willing to bite the bullet and accept that Asians are systematically deficient in the softer categories (essays, recommendations, extracurricular) relative to other groups. (For the record, I think that’s crazy.). And, perhaps most importantly, it avoids the issue that some people think (although fewer say) that its ok to discriminate against whites (or, more charitably, think that isn’t discrimination at all). Nobody will explicitly say that it is ok to treat Asians worse because of their race (although objectively a lot of people are fine with that), so they have to defend their practices on the merits.

The racists (including many POC) come out of the woodwork to stereotype Asian Americans as one dimensional, overly academic focused (can you imagine!) applicants to defend the bullsh*t racial quota system currently in place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When a school admits 6% of its applicants, you can’t cry foul about the “qualified” people not getting in. Most of the people who apply probably have perfect or near perfect stats. It’s known that subjective factors like essays, letters of recommendation, activities, and interviews are coming into play when all the applicants have stellar numbers.

That’s not true at all. African-American and Latinx students routinely get admitted with test scores hundreds of points lower than their white and Asian peers. There is simply no factual dispute on this issue. It’s obvious discrimination, but the schools are committed to it, so much so that they would rather stop using test scores entirely than give up this practice, which is where things are going.

So on one hand, we lament these tests reducing kids to numbers and then when universities don't admit based on the numbers, we get mad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I am very suspicions that the DOJ suddenly takes in an interests in the discrimination against Asians. Right now the DOJ and FBI are targeting many Asian scientists in US for their supposedly links to the countries when they came from. Moreover, Trump is banning the wechat, which is mostly used by Chinese, not Americans, to connect each other and their friends and relative in China.

We Asians should be not a paw for the Trump's DOJ.

There is no conspiracy here. The focus includes Asian-Americans for a few reasons. The difference in treatment is even easier to illustrate, because the differential in objective criteria is even more substantial. It disproves the “holistic” admissions defense, unless you are willing to bite the bullet and accept that Asians are systematically deficient in the softer categories (essays, recommendations, extracurricular) relative to other groups. (For the record, I think that’s crazy.). And, perhaps most importantly, it avoids the issue that some people think (although fewer say) that its ok to discriminate against whites (or, more charitably, think that isn’t discrimination at all). Nobody will explicitly say that it is ok to treat Asians worse because of their race (although objectively a lot of people are fine with that), so they have to defend their practices on the merits.

The racists (including many POC) come out of the woodwork to stereotype Asian Americans as one dimensional, overly academic focused (can you imagine!) applicants to defend the bullsh*t racial quota system currently in place.

I agree with you but Asian lawsuits consistently use test scores to prove they are being discriminated against instead of some holistic marker.

Like top athlete, musician, artist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I am very suspicions that the DOJ suddenly takes in an interests in the discrimination against Asians. Right now the DOJ and FBI are targeting many Asian scientists in US for their supposedly links to the countries when they came from. Moreover, Trump is banning the wechat, which is mostly used by Chinese, not Americans, to connect each other and their friends and relative in China.

We Asians should be not a paw for the Trump's DOJ.

There is no conspiracy here. The focus includes Asian-Americans for a few reasons. The difference in treatment is even easier to illustrate, because the differential in objective criteria is even more substantial. It disproves the “holistic” admissions defense, unless you are willing to bite the bullet and accept that Asians are systematically deficient in the softer categories (essays, recommendations, extracurricular) relative to other groups. (For the record, I think that’s crazy.). And, perhaps most importantly, it avoids the issue that some people think (although fewer say) that its ok to discriminate against whites (or, more charitably, think that isn’t discrimination at all). Nobody will explicitly say that it is ok to treat Asians worse because of their race (although objectively a lot of people are fine with that), so they have to defend their practices on the merits.

The racists (including many POC) come out of the woodwork to stereotype Asian Americans as one dimensional, overly academic focused (can you imagine!) applicants to defend the bullsh*t racial quota system currently in place.

I agree with you but Asian lawsuits consistently use test scores to prove they are being discriminated against instead of some holistic marker.

Like top athlete, musician, artist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All the whites who are so against the "holistic approach" are going to be in for a rude awakening if colleges actually get rid of it. Asians will dominate all Ivies. In this area, TJ is a prime example of what happens when admissions in academics is based solely on merit. While whites vast outnumber Asians in FCPS, TJ is almost seventy percent Asian. Also look at California at the college level. Be careful what you wish for.

I have no issue with “holistic” admissions in theory. In practice, it is used to discriminate against whites and Asians, particularly in jurisdictions that have outlawed explicit racial discrimination in admissions. Just as it was used to discriminate against Jews many decades ago. Schools cannot be trusted on this point, so IMO all once can do is maximize the use of objective criteria. It’s a second-best solution, no doubt.

What objective criteria? What the heck are objective criteria?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As an Asian, I am very suspicions that the DOJ suddenly takes in an interests in the discrimination against Asians. Right now the DOJ and FBI are targeting many Asian scientists in US for their supposedly links to the countries when they came from. Moreover, Trump is banning the wechat, which is mostly used by Chinese, not Americans, to connect each other and their friends and relative in China.

We Asians should be not a paw for the Trump's DOJ.

There is no conspiracy here. The focus includes Asian-Americans for a few reasons. The difference in treatment is even easier to illustrate, because the differential in objective criteria is even more substantial. It disproves the “holistic” admissions defense, unless you are willing to bite the bullet and accept that Asians are systematically deficient in the softer categories (essays, recommendations, extracurricular) relative to other groups. (For the record, I think that’s crazy.). And, perhaps most importantly, it avoids the issue that some people think (although fewer say) that its ok to discriminate against whites (or, more charitably, think that isn’t discrimination at all). Nobody will explicitly say that it is ok to treat Asians worse because of their race (although objectively a lot of people are fine with that), so they have to defend their practices on the merits.

The racists (including many POC) come out of the woodwork to stereotype Asian Americans as one dimensional, overly academic focused (can you imagine!) applicants to defend the bullsh*t racial quota system currently in place.

I agree with you but Asian lawsuits consistently use test scores to prove they are being discriminated against instead of some holistic marker.

Like top athlete, musician, artist.

Citation please.

As far as I am aware, not only did the Asian lawsuits use test scores, IT ALSO used soft skills to prove that Asian-Americans were discriminated against. Many of these kids are musicians and artists. There are less athletes but it is not nil. We have Asian-American friends who have had to prove themselves 3x over purely because of their race. I am so tired to claim Americans of Asian ethnicity lack soft skills when I see plenty who prove otherwise.