Why are most teachers too scared to return to in person teaching, but most parents want schools open

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Your kids. Your responsibility. Don’t put them off on teachers just cause you tired of dealing with em.

This is so laughable. It is like a grocery store worker saying, you're hungry? Your problem. Go grow some food.
Or a utility company saying "You want electricity?" "Go find some"

Or like a parent saying, “You’re worries about being exposed to a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus? Tough, watch my kids all day I’m stressed.”

More like cops saying they're too afraid to patrol a neighborhood with a little higher crime and then also screeching at concerned residents: "You evil selfish locals all want us to DIE!!!!!"

If the residents show some responsibility for their own kids and keep the contagious brats inside there’s no need to patrol the streets.

[Anonymous]

You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

[Anonymous]

Teachers have ZERO downside to the DL plan. They keep their jobs, they keep their salary. . Even if the Academic results are terrible.

Parents have HUGE downside to the DL plan. Most kids will lose an entire year of education. And parents have the struggle of figuring out solutions to kids being home all day while parents have to go to jobs.

Opening schools is mostly, but not 100 percent safe. The person who has literally nothing to lose from DL (teachers) will choose DL, because they don’t have to make any trade off. Those who have a lot to lose from dL (parents) will weigh the safety trade off and, given the low safety risks, it reasonable that 70 percent of parents will want to send kids back to school and take that small gamble.

My guess is the 30 percent of parents who favor full DL probably have a sahp or available grandparent who can handle all of the oversight. For those families, like teachers, there is close to ZERO downside to the DL plan. With a full time available caregiver, their kids will not lose a year of education. And they don’t have to worry about juggling jobs with the DL plan. The only downside for these families is the loss of social interaction - which may not offset the small safety risks for those families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

This is such a myth. DL is pretense for teachers. DL is not effective for the majority of students. If a restaurant cooks nothing but spoiled food, can they really still say they're "serving meals"?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

This is such a myth. DL is pretense for teachers. DL is not effective for the majority of students. If a restaurant cooks nothing but spoiled food, can they really still say they're "serving meals"?

So put your parent-pants on and pick up the slack and take responsibility for your child.
You the parent...teach em.

[Anonymous]

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So just a question- why is 1 or 2 cases per 100k acceptable to you? Not arguing with your post really, and I guess that number is not all that different than what Gayles came up with, but he pointed to cdc guidance that does not really exist. Other states like NY have set different metrics. It frustrates me that there’s isn’t a credible, national effort.

I got the number by reading news reports of countries in Europe and Asia that successfully reopened schools in the spring. They would close a school if even one case was found in the school. I looked at the European CDC data on spread in those countries that seemed to be able to keep schools open, with a few having to close when there was a case, and their community spread was listed at 1 new case per 100,000 per day or less (I think they measured 10 new cases per 1 million but it's the same thing.)

So that's just the number I was thinking of, but I found that experts think the same thing. It's the level considered to be the "green" zone by experts at the Harvard Global Health Institute:

https://globalepidemics.org/key-metrics-for-covid-suppression/



It's the level the CDC has designated as "minimal community spread".

It's the level Dr Osterholm (director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota) has chosen as the level of spread at which we could safely reopen things:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/07/opinion/coronavirus-lockdown-unemployment-death.html

We believe the choice is clear. We can continue to allow the coronavirus to spread rapidly throughout the country or we can commit to a more restrictive lockdown, state by state, for up to six weeks to crush the spread of the virus to less than one new case per 100,000 people per day.

That’s the point at which we will be able to limit the increase in new cases through aggressive public health measures, just as other countries have done. But we’re a long way from there right now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

But it's not safe- have you been out there lately? People have been driving like maniacs. Maybe I should advocate for my employer to allow telework, even though I can only be about 50% effective at home. That's cool, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kids. Your responsibility. Don’t put them off on teachers just cause you tired of dealing with em.

This is so laughable. It is like a grocery store worker saying, you're hungry? Your problem. Go grow some food.
Or a utility company saying "You want electricity?" "Go find some"

Or like a parent saying, “You’re worries about being exposed to a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus? Tough, watch my kids all day I’m stressed.”

More like cops saying they're too afraid to patrol a neighborhood with a little higher crime and then also screeching at concerned residents: "You evil selfish locals all want us to DIE!!!!!"

If the residents show some responsibility for their own kids and keep the contagious brats inside there’s no need to patrol the streets.

Or cops could just do the job they're paid to do.

Teachers unions are like police unions, putting self-interest over the general welfare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

But it's not safe- have you been out there lately? People have been driving like maniacs. Maybe I should advocate for my employer to allow telework, even though I can only be about 50% effective at home. That's cool, right?

Nothing wrong with advocating for yourself.
Good luck.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kids. Your responsibility. Don’t put them off on teachers just cause you tired of dealing with em.

This is so laughable. It is like a grocery store worker saying, you're hungry? Your problem. Go grow some food.
Or a utility company saying "You want electricity?" "Go find some"

Or like a parent saying, “You’re worries about being exposed to a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus? Tough, watch my kids all day I’m stressed.”

More like cops saying they're too afraid to patrol a neighborhood with a little higher crime and then also screeching at concerned residents: "You evil selfish locals all want us to DIE!!!!!"

If the residents show some responsibility for their own kids and keep the contagious brats inside there’s no need to patrol the streets.

Or cops could just do the job they're paid to do.

Teachers unions are like police unions, putting self-interest over the general welfare.

Yeah well such is life.
What you gonna do?
The only constant in life is change.
The only necessity in life is adaptation.
You can’t control everything.
If teachers up and decide to give parents the finger and not go back what you gonna do?
You gonna make them? How? What if they’re willing to lose their job or even go to jail before they put themselves out here in this pandemic.
Then what?
Who you gonna get to teach your kid?
Who you gonna pass the buck off to?
Times change conditions change environments change...
You wanna survive you better stop whining and adapt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

This is such a myth. DL is pretense for teachers. DL is not effective for the majority of students. If a restaurant cooks nothing but spoiled food, can they really still say they're "serving meals"?

So put your parent-pants on and pick up the slack and take responsibility for your child.
You the parent...teach em.

I would love that. Put teachers on unpaid furlough, use the money to hand out vouchers, and let every family choose what's best for them. Everybody wins: Teachers will no longer be afraid to "DIEEEE!!!!!!!," and kids will actually get educated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Your kids. Your responsibility. Don’t put them off on teachers just cause you tired of dealing with em.

This is so laughable. It is like a grocery store worker saying, you're hungry? Your problem. Go grow some food.
Or a utility company saying "You want electricity?" "Go find some"

Or like a parent saying, “You’re worries about being exposed to a highly contagious and potentially deadly virus? Tough, watch my kids all day I’m stressed.”

More like cops saying they're too afraid to patrol a neighborhood with a little higher crime and then also screeching at concerned residents: "You evil selfish locals all want us to DIE!!!!!"

If the residents show some responsibility for their own kids and keep the contagious brats inside there’s no need to patrol the streets.

Yep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

This is such a myth. DL is pretense for teachers. DL is not effective for the majority of students. If a restaurant cooks nothing but spoiled food, can they really still say they're "serving meals"?

So put your parent-pants on and pick up the slack and take responsibility for your child.
You the parent...teach em.

I would love that. Put teachers on unpaid furlough, use the money to hand out vouchers, and let every family choose what's best for them. Everybody wins: Teachers will no longer be afraid to "DIEEEE!!!!!!!," and kids will actually get educated.

If all the teachers are furloughed, who are the vouchers paying?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You guys,
My boss expects me to drive to work. I don't want to die. What should I do? I don't want to die. It is not like I can take safety precautions like driving the speed limit, not driving distracted, wearing a seatbelt.

You see the rate of traffic fatalities. He is such a jerk expecting me to do the job I get paid to do.

Not my fault your job doesn’t allow you to telework.
Teachers can.
Buckle up and drive safe.

This is such a myth. DL is pretense for teachers. DL is not effective for the majority of students. If a restaurant cooks nothing but spoiled food, can they really still say they're "serving meals"?

So put your parent-pants on and pick up the slack and take responsibility for your child.
You the parent...teach em.

I would love that. Put teachers on unpaid furlough, use the money to hand out vouchers, and let every family choose what's best for them. Everybody wins: Teachers will no longer be afraid to "DIEEEE!!!!!!!," and kids will actually get educated.

Broke frontline workers get vouchers. Anybody sitting at home doing Zoom meetings - you there with your kid teach em your damn self.