Why are most teachers too scared to return to in person teaching, but most parents want schools open

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My job is much harder to do at home. It’s hard enough to do at school. I live with my mom who is not in great health. So I’ll do much more work in order to keep her safe.



Ok, but parents are just as likely to have a vulnerable family member living with them, as teachers, yet survey after survey shows the vast majority of parents want schools to reopen and the vast majority of teachers want schools virtual. Since there is no reason to think teachers are more naturally cautious than the public at large, I think it’s safe to assume that there something else at play here


The only survey data I've seen has been FCPS and MCPS. In both of those parents and teachers were both divided relatively close to 50/50, just in the opposite direction. Slightly more than 50% of parents chose hybrid, and slightly more than 50% of teachers chose DL, but there were no "vast majorities". There was enough of a difference that it was one factor complicating the hybrid model, but it wasn't a vast difference.

I think there are a few things here that account for the difference in selection rates.

1) Many teachers are parents. Given hybrid learning, I wonder if most parents, given the choice to work from home or to work from their work place, would choose the latter. I'm guessing not. So, some teachers are going to be motivated by the same thing, the need to provide safety and supervision for their own kids.

2) I'm not sure that it's true that teachers and parents are equally likely to have high risk family members. In my experience as a teacher, my colleagues are, on average, older than my students' parents.

3) I'm a teacher (although I have a position that is 100% DL for this year, in part because of 2 very high risk household members), but when I think about what the teachers at my school are being told, which is that they can quarantine/isolate once for themselves at full pay, and once for themselves or a kid at 2/3 pay, but beyond that they won't be paid unless they have saved leave. I have 3 school aged kids, and no saved leave as I'm returning from maternity leave. I can't imagine that if we all returned to school, I wouldn't have to quarantine at least once for each kid when there was an exposure in my class. So, knowing that I was choosing between getting paid all year, or almost certainly having leave at 2/3 pay and leave without pay, would weigh into my choice.

4) We've seen how the sausage is made. I'm a special ed teacher. I have a lot of confidence in my ability to teach my kids to follow social distancing protocols and keep their masks on. I also know that there will be times when kids will need hands on support, and that support will come from me, not peers. For example, I have students with CP who won't be able to adjust a droopy mask, or put it back on after eating, and that would fall to me if I was in the classroom. So, I'm not sure I agree with the logic that the kids are more likely to get it than I am. I also have zero confidence in my school's ability to keep bathrooms stocked with soap and paper towels, and to have ventilation systems that work, and other things, because I have years of memories of bringing my own soap to work, and dealing with vermin infestations, and having it be 100 degrees in my classroom in February to undermine my confidence.



Say whatever you want, but there’s no doubt that a lot of teachers who are answering g on surveys that they don’t want to go back, just don’t want to go back. This is the same for every other profession. Most people prefer working from home. Why assume teachers are different from anyone else. We’ll never know what percentage is truly afraid and what percentage just like the convenience of being home. But my hunch is that a significant number are highly motivated by the convenience of staying home.
Anonymous
Op...

My husband teaches 9th grade.

I'm high risk.

I don't want/need him bringing it home.

Your method is a little off.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.


Plus a million. You’re an idiot, op.


Plus another million. OP is an idiot.

Dunning-Kruger effect?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Op...

My husband teaches 9th grade.

I'm high risk.

I don't want/need him bringing it home.

Your method is a little off.


The thing is, OP and her ilk don't care about your husband. They can't understand why you can't accept that their desires for their precious snowflake should outweigh any health risks to you. If OP were offered the choice between DL or hybrid/in person where a teacher at their kid's school would die, they would opt for hybrid/in person and would not understand your objections. As PP noted, OP is an idiot. An entitled idiot.
Anonymous
“ 4) We've seen how the sausage is made.”

I think it is mostly this. Teachers know how the “nice on paper” plans will actually translate into the real world in their schools.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:“ 4) We've seen how the sausage is made.”

I think it is mostly this. Teachers know how the “nice on paper” plans will actually translate into the real world in their schools.


And we've seen in Georgia and Indiana and Mississippi that it just takes one parent sending in a kid with a positive test pending to infect a group of students
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Parent= I don't want them open. If the teachers get Covid, we get more subs and last year the subs were horrible. I don't feel safe with kids going back.


There aren’t enough subs either, even the horrible ones resigned rather then put themselves in danger of contracting Covid.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My job is much harder to do at home. It’s hard enough to do at school. I live with my mom who is not in great health. So I’ll do much more work in order to keep her safe.



Ok, but parents are just as likely to have a vulnerable family member living with them, as teachers, yet survey after survey shows the vast majority of parents want schools to reopen and the vast majority of teachers want schools virtual. Since there is no reason to think teachers are more naturally cautious than the public at large, I think it’s safe to assume that there something else at play here


We spend all day around kids. Lots of kids. Little ones have poor hygiene and cannot effectively social distance and wear masks. Just go to a store to see them not wearing masks correctly. We also know that our districts don’t have the money to make school safe.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.


Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?
Anonymous
The parents are exposed to their kids' germs either way. Also, they want to continue day drinking while WFH.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:The kids will be in a more precarious situation than the teachers. They are more likely to spend extended amounts of time within close distance of each other than teachers are. No, kids aren’t as likely to get very sick, but they can still transmit it to their families.
Yer almost every survey shows most parents want schools to reopen while most teachers want them to reopen. Are we really to believe that teachers are just naturally more fearful than most other people? I’m a teacher, and I honestly believe that most teachers who are saying their too afraid to go back, really just want to work from home. I haven’t actually had a teacher confide that to me, but it’s just my suspicion. I don’t think that reflects poorly on them, most people working from home say they don’t want to go back, but why would larger numbers of teachers be more afraid of exposure to Covid than parents are?

If you are truly a teacher, then I weep! The grammatical errors!! I’m calling troll.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.


Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?


This plus read the stats. Death and hospitilizations are extremely rare for people under 65 assuming you don't have serious health conditions already.

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The kids will be in a more precarious situation than the teachers. They are more likely to spend extended amounts of time within close distance of each other than teachers are. No, kids aren’t as likely to get very sick, but they can still transmit it to their families.
Yer almost every survey shows most parents want schools to reopen while most teachers want them to reopen. Are we really to believe that teachers are just naturally more fearful than most other people? I’m a teacher, and I honestly believe that most teachers who are saying their too afraid to go back, really just want to work from home. I haven’t actually had a teacher confide that to me, but it’s just my suspicion. I don’t think that reflects poorly on them, most people working from home say they don’t want to go back, but why would larger numbers of teachers be more afraid of exposure to Covid than parents are?

If you are truly a teacher, then I weep! The grammatical errors!! I’m calling troll.


dp get a life loser
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the teachers don't want to die while the parents just want childcare.

C'mon, man, read any of the 29034723 threads on this topic that exist already.


Ugh. People need to stop saying this. It’s not a real argument and it’s a slap in the face to every other person who is showing up to their jobs during the pandemic. Do you think my spouse wants to die? He has been showing up to work at the hospital every day since this pandemic. Do you really think he is going to work because he “wants to die”???? And his entire staff too?? They are coming to work because they want to die? Do you think that grocery checkout person is showing up to work every day because they want to die too?


This!!! I have lost so much respect for teachers, and I used to be one. Such a whiny, dramatic bunch. It’s truly embarrassing.
Anonymous
Its like Teachers got frozen in time and are stuck on March 20th when the US shut down and we thought everyone who left their house would get COVID and die.

Fast forward, we know so much more now. People are SAFELY returning to work with PPE, safeguards, modifications to their work space/hours/business but we still hear teachers crying about not wanting to die.
It is like they haven't realized that 90% of us are back in offices, businesses and going about or daily lives with masks and other precautions.
Oh!!! But the kids can't be safe!!!
Well, yes they can as proven by Day cares, camps, sports and playdates. THey can also wear masks. Gasp, I know!!!
You can also turn gyms, cafeterias, libraries into classrooms to spread kids out. You can also change the schedule a bit. Hell have 2 groups, one in the am, one in the after. Or get even more creative and have an evening session for those who want/need.

Teachers just dont' get it and I don't get why they want to DL. By all accounts it is more stressful, more work and really limitied learning can take place at gradeschool level. Why in the hell are they wanting this?

It also makes me wonder about my children's safety in their care. What about fires, active shooters, hurricanes? Will they run away and leave the kids to fend for themselves because they don't want to die??
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