The Last Skywalker— with Spoilers

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He manipulated Luke to try to get the outcome from him that he wanted.

It’s actually sort of similar to how Dumbledore manipulated Harry Potter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just go with the flow and stop trying to take this all so seriously. You are wasting your life if you need to have every fantasy story tied down with logic. It's space fantasy. Eat your popcorn and suspend disbelief.

Casual fans love it.
A bit more serious fans are able to have critical discussions while still enjoying it and not insulting others.
People who have gone over the edge or have a political agenda hate it and want you to hate it, too.

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Anonymous wrote:Force healing is not something just any Jedi can do whenever they want. It's a light side ability and not everyone has it. Rey developing it makes sense since she's very strong in the light side. Kylo being able to do it makes less sense EXCEPT for the fact that (he said during the movie) the two of them are a force "dyad" so two parts of the same whole.

Exactly. That has implications for what they can do. Also, different Jedis can do different things. We don’t know everything the Force can do, so it would make sense that we wouldn’t have seen the totality of what could be done in the original trilogy. The Force is mysterious and no one ever said “this is everything the Force can do.”

Rey is supposed to be extremely strong in the Force. She was set up to finally defeat Palpatine — something no other Jedi could do. Wouldn’t it make sense she could access abilities others couldn’t? Kylo Ren was similarly strong, but not quite as strong as her.

I loved the movie and don’t get all the nit picking, frankly.

Start with the fact that it’s women who ultimately save them all, and you’ll figure it out fast.

DP. Okay, you are obviously just dim. If that's your criticism, you can't be taken remotely seriously. My favorite is 4, and men save them all there. Leia's role in 4 is smaller and less complex than the roles of the multiple men in 9. Yet I manage to enjoy it deeply.

I thought you were going to have something substantive to say, but you're just a whiny incel.

You misunderstood my point. I’m saying that a lot of the nitpicky criticism is ultimately about certain people being upset that the movie was woman-focused, and rather than saying that out loud (because they know how that would be received) they’re trying to shred it based on trivial things. My comment was a criticism of those people, not a vote of approval.

I support women, but the forced casting (like the ladies gauntlet run in endgame) seems so forced (like the antenna guardian woman should fighting alongside Captain Marvel and Cobalt Pepper?)

SW ROS in general had a good mix and I don’t think I saw any girl squad moments (I know there were plenty of white male squads before but tit for tat doesn’t work)

So you’re that it’s forced and unrealistic that in an alternative fantasy universe there could be all-female warrior groups just like there are all-male warrior groups?

No it’s unrealistic b/c one of their females main power was making people sleepy.

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Anonymous wrote:Force healing is not something just any Jedi can do whenever they want. It's a light side ability and not everyone has it. Rey developing it makes sense since she's very strong in the light side. Kylo being able to do it makes less sense EXCEPT for the fact that (he said during the movie) the two of them are a force "dyad" so two parts of the same whole.

Exactly. That has implications for what they can do. Also, different Jedis can do different things. We don’t know everything the Force can do, so it would make sense that we wouldn’t have seen the totality of what could be done in the original trilogy. The Force is mysterious and no one ever said “this is everything the Force can do.”

Rey is supposed to be extremely strong in the Force. She was set up to finally defeat Palpatine — something no other Jedi could do. Wouldn’t it make sense she could access abilities others couldn’t? Kylo Ren was similarly strong, but not quite as strong as her.

I loved the movie and don’t get all the nit picking, frankly.

Start with the fact that it’s women who ultimately save them all, and you’ll figure it out fast.

DP. Okay, you are obviously just dim. If that's your criticism, you can't be taken remotely seriously. My favorite is 4, and men save them all there. Leia's role in 4 is smaller and less complex than the roles of the multiple men in 9. Yet I manage to enjoy it deeply.

I thought you were going to have something substantive to say, but you're just a whiny incel.

You misunderstood my point. I’m saying that a lot of the nitpicky criticism is ultimately about certain people being upset that the movie was woman-focused, and rather than saying that out loud (because they know how that would be received) they’re trying to shred it based on trivial things. My comment was a criticism of those people, not a vote of approval.

I support women, but the forced casting (like the ladies gauntlet run in endgame) seems so forced (like the antenna guardian woman should fighting alongside Captain Marvel and Cobalt Pepper?)

SW ROS in general had a good mix and I don’t think I saw any girl squad moments (I know there were plenty of white male squads before but tit for tat doesn’t work)

So you’re that it’s forced and unrealistic that in an alternative fantasy universe there could be all-female warrior groups just like there are all-male warrior groups?

No it’s unrealistic b/c one of their females main power was making people sleepy.

Huh?

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Anonymous wrote:Force healing is not something just any Jedi can do whenever they want. It's a light side ability and not everyone has it. Rey developing it makes sense since she's very strong in the light side. Kylo being able to do it makes less sense EXCEPT for the fact that (he said during the movie) the two of them are a force "dyad" so two parts of the same whole.

Exactly. That has implications for what they can do. Also, different Jedis can do different things. We don’t know everything the Force can do, so it would make sense that we wouldn’t have seen the totality of what could be done in the original trilogy. The Force is mysterious and no one ever said “this is everything the Force can do.”

Rey is supposed to be extremely strong in the Force. She was set up to finally defeat Palpatine — something no other Jedi could do. Wouldn’t it make sense she could access abilities others couldn’t? Kylo Ren was similarly strong, but not quite as strong as her.

I loved the movie and don’t get all the nit picking, frankly.

Start with the fact that it’s women who ultimately save them all, and you’ll figure it out fast.

DP. Okay, you are obviously just dim. If that's your criticism, you can't be taken remotely seriously. My favorite is 4, and men save them all there. Leia's role in 4 is smaller and less complex than the roles of the multiple men in 9. Yet I manage to enjoy it deeply.

I thought you were going to have something substantive to say, but you're just a whiny incel.

You misunderstood my point. I’m saying that a lot of the nitpicky criticism is ultimately about certain people being upset that the movie was woman-focused, and rather than saying that out loud (because they know how that would be received) they’re trying to shred it based on trivial things. My comment was a criticism of those people, not a vote of approval.

I support women, but the forced casting (like the ladies gauntlet run in endgame) seems so forced (like the antenna guardian woman should fighting alongside Captain Marvel and Cobalt Pepper?)

SW ROS in general had a good mix and I don’t think I saw any girl squad moments (I know there were plenty of white male squads before but tit for tat doesn’t work)

So you’re that it’s forced and unrealistic that in an alternative fantasy universe there could be all-female warrior groups just like there are all-male warrior groups?

No it’s unrealistic b/c one of their females main power was making people sleepy.

Huh?

Mantis helped the Guardians escape from the Celestial by keeping him asleep in Vol 2.

And I'm sure Shuri had some cool gauntlets she made, but she's doesn't have the flower power of Black Panther nor the full suit of Vibranium.

They really shouldn't be mixing it up with two Infinity Stone powered heroes (Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel), an Asgaardian Valkerie, and an Iron Woman.

That was my point. Honestly, there are many times they complain about Hawkeye being out of place (some great SNL skits on that), but at least he is a trained soldier experienced in combat.

SW was way better in that they put the female characters in leadership positions, so they led women and men.

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Anonymous wrote:Force healing is not something just any Jedi can do whenever they want. It's a light side ability and not everyone has it. Rey developing it makes sense since she's very strong in the light side. Kylo being able to do it makes less sense EXCEPT for the fact that (he said during the movie) the two of them are a force "dyad" so two parts of the same whole.

Exactly. That has implications for what they can do. Also, different Jedis can do different things. We don’t know everything the Force can do, so it would make sense that we wouldn’t have seen the totality of what could be done in the original trilogy. The Force is mysterious and no one ever said “this is everything the Force can do.”

Rey is supposed to be extremely strong in the Force. She was set up to finally defeat Palpatine — something no other Jedi could do. Wouldn’t it make sense she could access abilities others couldn’t? Kylo Ren was similarly strong, but not quite as strong as her.

I loved the movie and don’t get all the nit picking, frankly.

Start with the fact that it’s women who ultimately save them all, and you’ll figure it out fast.

DP. Okay, you are obviously just dim. If that's your criticism, you can't be taken remotely seriously. My favorite is 4, and men save them all there. Leia's role in 4 is smaller and less complex than the roles of the multiple men in 9. Yet I manage to enjoy it deeply.

I thought you were going to have something substantive to say, but you're just a whiny incel.

You misunderstood my point. I’m saying that a lot of the nitpicky criticism is ultimately about certain people being upset that the movie was woman-focused, and rather than saying that out loud (because they know how that would be received) they’re trying to shred it based on trivial things. My comment was a criticism of those people, not a vote of approval.

I support women, but the forced casting (like the ladies gauntlet run in endgame) seems so forced (like the antenna guardian woman should fighting alongside Captain Marvel and Cobalt Pepper?)

SW ROS in general had a good mix and I don’t think I saw any girl squad moments (I know there were plenty of white male squads before but tit for tat doesn’t work)

So you’re that it’s forced and unrealistic that in an alternative fantasy universe there could be all-female warrior groups just like there are all-male warrior groups?

No it’s unrealistic b/c one of their females main power was making people sleepy.

Huh?

Mantis helped the Guardians escape from the Celestial by keeping him asleep in Vol 2.

And I'm sure Shuri had some cool gauntlets she made, but she's doesn't have the flower power of Black Panther nor the full suit of Vibranium.

They really shouldn't be mixing it up with two Infinity Stone powered heroes (Scarlet Witch and Captain Marvel), an Asgaardian Valkerie, and an Iron Woman.

That was my point. Honestly, there are many times they complain about Hawkeye being out of place (some great SNL skits on that), but at least he is a trained soldier experienced in combat.

SW was way better in that they put the female characters in leadership positions, so they led women and men.

Ok. You needed to specify that you weren’t even talking about Star Wars, because your comment was really unclear.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no we have a SJW on dcum going on and going that people dislike the movie because of the female lead! That is what Disney is using as their excuse and they even attack the fans with it. The reality is that critics of the new trilogy have voices valid objections, and we can see that JJ and Disney know they screwed up with this trilogy due to lack of direction. Trilogy is supposed to have a story arc and they had no outline and nothing planned ahead. That is why JJ had to spend time fixing things and had a frantic movie this time. If it was not for Riddley and Driver being great actors, this movie would be much worse off. They uplift it.
We always knew Luke's and Anakin's motivaion for doing what they did. Luke's aunt and uncle were burned to crisp by the Empire. Anakin was a slave and wanted to save Padme(turns out from himself, and his dark side was shown in the AoC.) One movie Rey is set to hear Anakin/Luke's lightsaber, next one she is nobody, third one she is a Palpatine! Lack of direction in these movies is what fans object to and critics this time too! Ridley is a great actor, she did the best she could in a role that had no motivation at all. Kylo had a better story arc. The fact is the did not make this a new not connected trilogy, they played it as an end to all the Skywalker Star Wars movies, you can't just ignore everything that came before. It is poor writing for kick only to invent a new force skill to get your our of poor writing.

I dunno. The only thing I think that was ignored were the dead ends from movie 8. The rest of it was tied in well.

I though there was a much bigger continuity gap between the prequels and eps 4-6 than between 7-9 and the rest.

What were the gaps in 1-6?

The biggest gaps are the major plot points in the first three that are just forgotten in 4-6. It's jarring to see how little of the prequels appear in 4-6, yet there is only a 20-year gap, supposedly. It makes no sense, and undermines the plots in 4-6.

Examples:

- Midiclorians
- The Jedi are a "forgotten" order in a New Hope but Ep 3 ended 20 years earlier in a world with droids. Universal amnesia?
- Obi-Wan forgetting entirely about the droid he spent years with 20 years earlier
- Minor, but it bugged me: R2s rocket powers (wtf, like he forgot he had rockets?)

There are a lot more, this is a tiny subset. And yet, all of that forgotten, but Leia remembered her mother who died in childbirth.

It's painful to watch eps 1-3 then 4-6, but it's not nearly as bad to watch 4-6 then 7-8 (and now 9). I find the first three virtually unwatchable.

Agree on the time lapse being weird. Plus Chewbacca?! That fought in the Clone Wars and helped rescue Yoda?! Midichlorians are not a plot hole, imo, just a bad writing choice. Lei remembering? I forgot that, did she really? Did Obi Wan really forget about R2D2 and C3PO or do we pretend he just choose not to say something?

Yes, Chewbacca is another one. I mean, the collective amnesia is too much to take.

Leia remembered her mother as sad and beautiful, or something like that. I think it was in episode 6.

How do you know Obi Wan just didn’t say anything? He kept a ton from Luke.

There is a difference between just not saying anything and actively lying. Either there are huge plot holes or Obi Wan was a massive.liar.

He did lie — to a ton of people. He changed his name, told Luke his father died when that was only true “from a certain point of view.”

How can you guys forget how manipulative he is?

You know, I could buy this if Obi-Wan was the only character who forgot or didn't mention events that just happened 20 years previously. But they ALL did. And that gap in continuity between the prequels and the rest is so much worse than the continuity between 7-9 and the rest.

I think the first three movies are practically unwatchable, however, so I just pretend they don't exist anyhow.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no we have a SJW on dcum going on and going that people dislike the movie because of the female lead! That is what Disney is using as their excuse and they even attack the fans with it. The reality is that critics of the new trilogy have voices valid objections, and we can see that JJ and Disney know they screwed up with this trilogy due to lack of direction. Trilogy is supposed to have a story arc and they had no outline and nothing planned ahead. That is why JJ had to spend time fixing things and had a frantic movie this time. If it was not for Riddley and Driver being great actors, this movie would be much worse off. They uplift it.
We always knew Luke's and Anakin's motivaion for doing what they did. Luke's aunt and uncle were burned to crisp by the Empire. Anakin was a slave and wanted to save Padme(turns out from himself, and his dark side was shown in the AoC.) One movie Rey is set to hear Anakin/Luke's lightsaber, next one she is nobody, third one she is a Palpatine! Lack of direction in these movies is what fans object to and critics this time too! Ridley is a great actor, she did the best she could in a role that had no motivation at all. Kylo had a better story arc. The fact is the did not make this a new not connected trilogy, they played it as an end to all the Skywalker Star Wars movies, you can't just ignore everything that came before. It is poor writing for kick only to invent a new force skill to get your our of poor writing.

I dunno. The only thing I think that was ignored were the dead ends from movie 8. The rest of it was tied in well.

I though there was a much bigger continuity gap between the prequels and eps 4-6 than between 7-9 and the rest.

What were the gaps in 1-6?

The biggest gaps are the major plot points in the first three that are just forgotten in 4-6. It's jarring to see how little of the prequels appear in 4-6, yet there is only a 20-year gap, supposedly. It makes no sense, and undermines the plots in 4-6.

Examples:

- Midiclorians
- The Jedi are a "forgotten" order in a New Hope but Ep 3 ended 20 years earlier in a world with droids. Universal amnesia?
- Obi-Wan forgetting entirely about the droid he spent years with 20 years earlier
- Minor, but it bugged me: R2s rocket powers (wtf, like he forgot he had rockets?)

There are a lot more, this is a tiny subset. And yet, all of that forgotten, but Leia remembered her mother who died in childbirth.

It's painful to watch eps 1-3 then 4-6, but it's not nearly as bad to watch 4-6 then 7-8 (and now 9). I find the first three virtually unwatchable.

Agree on the time lapse being weird. Plus Chewbacca?! That fought in the Clone Wars and helped rescue Yoda?! Midichlorians are not a plot hole, imo, just a bad writing choice. Lei remembering? I forgot that, did she really? Did Obi Wan really forget about R2D2 and C3PO or do we pretend he just choose not to say something?

Yes, Chewbacca is another one. I mean, the collective amnesia is too much to take.

Leia remembered her mother as sad and beautiful, or something like that. I think it was in episode 6.

How do you know Obi Wan just didn’t say anything? He kept a ton from Luke.

There is a difference between just not saying anything and actively lying. Either there are huge plot holes or Obi Wan was a massive.liar.

He did lie — to a ton of people. He changed his name, told Luke his father died when that was only true “from a certain point of view.”

How can you guys forget how manipulative he is?

You know, I could buy this if Obi-Wan was the only character who forgot or didn't mention events that just happened 20 years previously. But they ALL did. And that gap in continuity between the prequels and the rest is so much worse than the continuity between 7-9 and the rest.

I think the first three movies are practically unwatchable, however, so I just pretend they don't exist anyhow.

You forget how few characters we meet in the original trilogy and how thorough the clone wars destruction was across the galaxy. We meet a small set of characters who were not necessarily exposed to all this historical knowledge. Not to mention the clone wars destroyed any semblance of interconnectedness throughout the galaxy. There WAS no government connecting the planets at that point, facilitating the dissemination of historical knowledge.


If you’re going to get upset at discontinuity between 1-3 and 4-6 you have to engage with 1-3 enough to understand why it set up the events of 4-6. You clearly don’t understand the prequels enough.

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Ok, tell me which of the main characters in A New Hope were supposed to have talked about the clone wars:

Luke — in exile and knew nothing
Leia — in exile and knew nothing
Han — orphaned smuggler who wouldn’t have known much. He would’ve been a kid when the clone wars were happening and was busy smuggling.
Obi Wan — probably manipulates Luke and purposefully won’t tell him anything

Non-human characters:

C-3PO — memory was wiped
R2D2 — doesn’t even speak English
Chewbacca — doesn’t even speak English

Darth Vader — clearly not going to talk about it while he’s trying to just serve Palpatine. Is he going to take time off for a history lesson? No.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, tell me which of the main characters in A New Hope were supposed to have talked about the clone wars:

Luke — in exile and knew nothing
Leia — in exile and knew nothing
Han — orphaned smuggler who wouldn’t have known much. He would’ve been a kid when the clone wars were happening and was busy smuggling.
Obi Wan — probably manipulates Luke and purposefully won’t tell him anything

Non-human characters:

C-3PO — memory was wiped
R2D2 — doesn’t even speak English
Chewbacca — doesn’t even speak English

Darth Vader — clearly not going to talk about it while he’s trying to just serve Palpatine. Is he going to take time off for a history lesson? No.

It's not just a New Hope. It's none of the next three, and literally no characters: not Lando, not any of the Republic fighters, not literally a single person makes any reference to the events of the first three movies. I am sorry, but that's a massive continuity gap.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok, tell me which of the main characters in A New Hope were supposed to have talked about the clone wars:

Luke — in exile and knew nothing
Leia — in exile and knew nothing
Han — orphaned smuggler who wouldn’t have known much. He would’ve been a kid when the clone wars were happening and was busy smuggling.
Obi Wan — probably manipulates Luke and purposefully won’t tell him anything

Non-human characters:

C-3PO — memory was wiped
R2D2 — doesn’t even speak English
Chewbacca — doesn’t even speak English

Darth Vader — clearly not going to talk about it while he’s trying to just serve Palpatine. Is he going to take time off for a history lesson? No.

It's not just a New Hope. It's none of the next three, and literally no characters: not Lando, not any of the Republic fighters, not literally a single person makes any reference to the events of the first three movies. I am sorry, but that's a massive continuity gap.

Tell me how you would imagine that reference would happen. Seriously. Explain to me why that would happen in the events of movies 4-6.

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Read this about the whole "why did everyone forget about the Jedi" thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/53ue24/why_did_everyone_forget_about_the_jedi_and_sith/

You all seem to not have a sense of how enormous the Star Wars galaxy is, and how disjointed it became after the Clone Wars.

At its peak, there were estimated to be about 10,000 Jedi. That's not nearly enough for most people to have known who they were. It's possible many people in the galaxy wouldn't have necessarily known about the Clone Wars.

The separatist movement alone in the prequels comprised thousands of planets. This galaxy is on a scale you aren't fully appreciating.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no we have a SJW on dcum going on and going that people dislike the movie because of the female lead! That is what Disney is using as their excuse and they even attack the fans with it. The reality is that critics of the new trilogy have voices valid objections, and we can see that JJ and Disney know they screwed up with this trilogy due to lack of direction. Trilogy is supposed to have a story arc and they had no outline and nothing planned ahead. That is why JJ had to spend time fixing things and had a frantic movie this time. If it was not for Riddley and Driver being great actors, this movie would be much worse off. They uplift it.
We always knew Luke's and Anakin's motivaion for doing what they did. Luke's aunt and uncle were burned to crisp by the Empire. Anakin was a slave and wanted to save Padme(turns out from himself, and his dark side was shown in the AoC.) One movie Rey is set to hear Anakin/Luke's lightsaber, next one she is nobody, third one she is a Palpatine! Lack of direction in these movies is what fans object to and critics this time too! Ridley is a great actor, she did the best she could in a role that had no motivation at all. Kylo had a better story arc. The fact is the did not make this a new not connected trilogy, they played it as an end to all the Skywalker Star Wars movies, you can't just ignore everything that came before. It is poor writing for kick only to invent a new force skill to get your our of poor writing.

I dunno. The only thing I think that was ignored were the dead ends from movie 8. The rest of it was tied in well.

I though there was a much bigger continuity gap between the prequels and eps 4-6 than between 7-9 and the rest.

What were the gaps in 1-6?

The biggest gaps are the major plot points in the first three that are just forgotten in 4-6. It's jarring to see how little of the prequels appear in 4-6, yet there is only a 20-year gap, supposedly. It makes no sense, and undermines the plots in 4-6.

Examples:

- Midiclorians
- The Jedi are a "forgotten" order in a New Hope but Ep 3 ended 20 years earlier in a world with droids. Universal amnesia?
- Obi-Wan forgetting entirely about the droid he spent years with 20 years earlier
- Minor, but it bugged me: R2s rocket powers (wtf, like he forgot he had rockets?)

There are a lot more, this is a tiny subset. And yet, all of that forgotten, but Leia remembered her mother who died in childbirth.

It's painful to watch eps 1-3 then 4-6, but it's not nearly as bad to watch 4-6 then 7-8 (and now 9). I find the first three virtually unwatchable.

Agree on the time lapse being weird. Plus Chewbacca?! That fought in the Clone Wars and helped rescue Yoda?! Midichlorians are not a plot hole, imo, just a bad writing choice. Lei remembering? I forgot that, did she really? Did Obi Wan really forget about R2D2 and C3PO or do we pretend he just choose not to say something?

Yes, Chewbacca is another one. I mean, the collective amnesia is too much to take.

Leia remembered her mother as sad and beautiful, or something like that. I think it was in episode 6.

How do you know Obi Wan just didn’t say anything? He kept a ton from Luke.

There is a difference between just not saying anything and actively lying. Either there are huge plot holes or Obi Wan was a massive.liar.

He did lie — to a ton of people. He changed his name, told Luke his father died when that was only true “from a certain point of view.”

How can you guys forget how manipulative he is?

You know, I could buy this if Obi-Wan was the only character who forgot or didn't mention events that just happened 20 years previously. But they ALL did. And that gap in continuity between the prequels and the rest is so much worse than the continuity between 7-9 and the rest.

I think the first three movies are practically unwatchable, however, so I just pretend they don't exist anyhow.

You forget how few characters we meet in the original trilogy and how thorough the clone wars destruction was across the galaxy. We meet a small set of characters who were not necessarily exposed to all this historical knowledge. Not to mention the clone wars destroyed any semblance of interconnectedness throughout the galaxy. There WAS no government connecting the planets at that point, facilitating the dissemination of historical knowledge.


If you’re going to get upset at discontinuity between 1-3 and 4-6 you have to engage with 1-3 enough to understand why it set up the events of 4-6. You clearly don’t understand the prequels enough.

Oh for heaven's sake. I watched the prequels well over a hundred times (and the Clone Wars) because I had multiple kids that unfortunately loved them. I could probably quote them to you, even though I find them unwatchable (what you do for love). The continuity gap is really striking if you watch them all in order (which I have done multiple times, except of course for 9), and if you watch them over and over, as I did. Maybe they "set up the events," at least for a half-hearted, squinty, don't think too hard version of "set up the events." But if you suffer through them like I did, what you mostly see are the giant gaps.

Clone Wars was great, though.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh no we have a SJW on dcum going on and going that people dislike the movie because of the female lead! That is what Disney is using as their excuse and they even attack the fans with it. The reality is that critics of the new trilogy have voices valid objections, and we can see that JJ and Disney know they screwed up with this trilogy due to lack of direction. Trilogy is supposed to have a story arc and they had no outline and nothing planned ahead. That is why JJ had to spend time fixing things and had a frantic movie this time. If it was not for Riddley and Driver being great actors, this movie would be much worse off. They uplift it.
We always knew Luke's and Anakin's motivaion for doing what they did. Luke's aunt and uncle were burned to crisp by the Empire. Anakin was a slave and wanted to save Padme(turns out from himself, and his dark side was shown in the AoC.) One movie Rey is set to hear Anakin/Luke's lightsaber, next one she is nobody, third one she is a Palpatine! Lack of direction in these movies is what fans object to and critics this time too! Ridley is a great actor, she did the best she could in a role that had no motivation at all. Kylo had a better story arc. The fact is the did not make this a new not connected trilogy, they played it as an end to all the Skywalker Star Wars movies, you can't just ignore everything that came before. It is poor writing for kick only to invent a new force skill to get your our of poor writing.

I dunno. The only thing I think that was ignored were the dead ends from movie 8. The rest of it was tied in well.

I though there was a much bigger continuity gap between the prequels and eps 4-6 than between 7-9 and the rest.

What were the gaps in 1-6?

The biggest gaps are the major plot points in the first three that are just forgotten in 4-6. It's jarring to see how little of the prequels appear in 4-6, yet there is only a 20-year gap, supposedly. It makes no sense, and undermines the plots in 4-6.

Examples:

- Midiclorians
- The Jedi are a "forgotten" order in a New Hope but Ep 3 ended 20 years earlier in a world with droids. Universal amnesia?
- Obi-Wan forgetting entirely about the droid he spent years with 20 years earlier
- Minor, but it bugged me: R2s rocket powers (wtf, like he forgot he had rockets?)

There are a lot more, this is a tiny subset. And yet, all of that forgotten, but Leia remembered her mother who died in childbirth.

It's painful to watch eps 1-3 then 4-6, but it's not nearly as bad to watch 4-6 then 7-8 (and now 9). I find the first three virtually unwatchable.

Agree on the time lapse being weird. Plus Chewbacca?! That fought in the Clone Wars and helped rescue Yoda?! Midichlorians are not a plot hole, imo, just a bad writing choice. Lei remembering? I forgot that, did she really? Did Obi Wan really forget about R2D2 and C3PO or do we pretend he just choose not to say something?

Yes, Chewbacca is another one. I mean, the collective amnesia is too much to take.

Leia remembered her mother as sad and beautiful, or something like that. I think it was in episode 6.

How do you know Obi Wan just didn’t say anything? He kept a ton from Luke.

There is a difference between just not saying anything and actively lying. Either there are huge plot holes or Obi Wan was a massive.liar.

He did lie — to a ton of people. He changed his name, told Luke his father died when that was only true “from a certain point of view.”

How can you guys forget how manipulative he is?

You know, I could buy this if Obi-Wan was the only character who forgot or didn't mention events that just happened 20 years previously. But they ALL did. And that gap in continuity between the prequels and the rest is so much worse than the continuity between 7-9 and the rest.

I think the first three movies are practically unwatchable, however, so I just pretend they don't exist anyhow.

You forget how few characters we meet in the original trilogy and how thorough the clone wars destruction was across the galaxy. We meet a small set of characters who were not necessarily exposed to all this historical knowledge. Not to mention the clone wars destroyed any semblance of interconnectedness throughout the galaxy. There WAS no government connecting the planets at that point, facilitating the dissemination of historical knowledge.


If you’re going to get upset at discontinuity between 1-3 and 4-6 you have to engage with 1-3 enough to understand why it set up the events of 4-6. You clearly don’t understand the prequels enough.

Oh for heaven's sake. I watched the prequels well over a hundred times (and the Clone Wars) because I had multiple kids that unfortunately loved them. I could probably quote them to you, even though I find them unwatchable (what you do for love). The continuity gap is really striking if you watch them all in order (which I have done multiple times, except of course for 9), and if you watch them over and over, as I did. Maybe they "set up the events," at least for a half-hearted, squinty, don't think too hard version of "set up the events." But if you suffer through them like I did, what you mostly see are the giant gaps.

Clone Wars was great, though.

Is your main problem that people aren't going around talking about the clone wars constantly in a new hope?

There are SO many reasons why it's perfectly reasonable why that wouldn't have happened. I think you needed to have paid attention better and maybe thought for a second about 1) who is actually in a new hope, and 2) how big the star wars galaxy actually is.

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Anonymous wrote:Read this about the whole "why did everyone forget about the Jedi" thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWars/comments/53ue24/why_did_everyone_forget_about_the_jedi_and_sith/

You all seem to not have a sense of how enormous the Star Wars galaxy is, and how disjointed it became after the Clone Wars.

At its peak, there were estimated to be about 10,000 Jedi. That's not nearly enough for most people to have known who they were. It's possible many people in the galaxy wouldn't have necessarily known about the Clone Wars.

The separatist movement alone in the prequels comprised thousands of planets. This galaxy is on a scale you aren't fully appreciating.

Lol. Okay fanboy. Yet, remarkably for all that massive distance and size, all the core characters magically ran into each other. But sure, nobody else in the rest of the universe had the same freakish luck, and nobody in the fighting forces in any of the middle three knew anything about the events in the first three.