Anyone else surprised by a lack of interest in William & Mary?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our oldest (sophomore) has already ruled out W&M and UVA. She's an honors student, and could be on track for both. She thinks W&M is a pressure cooker and UVA is too snobby. She's going with Virginia Tech.

In other words, she can't get into UVA. Cool story tho.

Neither could you.

It's amazing how many people "rule out" UVA right after they realize they can't get in. Like you.

[Anonymous]

About a quarter of the graduating class applies to W&M each year from our small private school. There is lots of interest in the school. It was our child’s first choice - ED acceptance received on Friday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:About a quarter of the graduating class applies to W&M each year from our small private school. There is lots of interest in the school. It was our child’s first choice - ED acceptance received on Friday

Why apply ED to W&M? In-state acceptance rate is 45%. Pretty much every decent student is getting in. Take an ED shot at a reach school. Then W&M as a solid safety. Right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our oldest (sophomore) has already ruled out W&M and UVA. She's an honors student, and could be on track for both. She thinks W&M is a pressure cooker and UVA is too snobby. She's going with Virginia Tech.

Way to get ahead of yourself.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why the tuition at W&M is so much higher than other state schools?

cite, please.

It doesn't really require a cite. It just is a fact. I've watched W&M tuition and costs run up in the last six years but don't know why. Currently instate is 36K inclusive and OOS is 60K inclusive. UVA was $16K for instate tuition only when my DD started there (lives off campus so I don't know what the current total is but will go look it up for you).

You’re making an assertion. Back it up with a citation and your claim will have something behind it.

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

https://www.wm.edu/admission/financialaid/tuition/index.php

For an in-state student, estimated cost of tuition at UVA (including tuition, room & board, and additional fees) is $33,008. At W&M, this is $39,604.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About a quarter of the graduating class applies to W&M each year from our small private school. There is lots of interest in the school. It was our child’s first choice - ED acceptance received on Friday

Why apply ED to W&M? In-state acceptance rate is 45%. Pretty much every decent student is getting in. Take an ED shot at a reach school. Then W&M as a solid safety. Right?

Did you read the part where they said that it was their child's first choice?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About a quarter of the graduating class applies to W&M each year from our small private school. There is lots of interest in the school. It was our child’s first choice - ED acceptance received on Friday

Why apply ED to W&M? In-state acceptance rate is 45%. Pretty much every decent student is getting in. Take an ED shot at a reach school. Then W&M as a solid safety. Right?

75th percentile at W&M is 1510 SAT and 4.46 GPA. That doesn't sound like everyone is getting in.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why the tuition at W&M is so much higher than other state schools?

cite, please.

It doesn't really require a cite. It just is a fact. I've watched W&M tuition and costs run up in the last six years but don't know why. Currently instate is 36K inclusive and OOS is 60K inclusive. UVA was $16K for instate tuition only when my DD started there (lives off campus so I don't know what the current total is but will go look it up for you).

You’re making an assertion. Back it up with a citation and your claim will have something behind it.

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

https://www.wm.edu/admission/financialaid/tuition/index.php

For an in-state student, estimated cost of tuition at UVA (including tuition, room & board, and additional fees) is $33,008. At W&M, this is $39,604.

You need to consider in-state tuition is frozen for 4 years at W&M. There are also higher costs for some schools. See link. Both schools have raised tuition quite a bit (W&M the most) but have increased aid significantly to lower to middle income families in the process.

https://www.schev.edu/docs/default-source/Reports-and-Studies/2019/201920tuitionandfeereport.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why the tuition at W&M is so much higher than other state schools?

cite, please.

It doesn't really require a cite. It just is a fact. I've watched W&M tuition and costs run up in the last six years but don't know why. Currently instate is 36K inclusive and OOS is 60K inclusive. UVA was $16K for instate tuition only when my DD started there (lives off campus so I don't know what the current total is but will go look it up for you).

You’re making an assertion. Back it up with a citation and your claim will have something behind it.

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

https://www.wm.edu/admission/financialaid/tuition/index.php

For an in-state student, estimated cost of tuition at UVA (including tuition, room & board, and additional fees) is $33,008. At W&M, this is $39,604.

You need to consider in-state tuition is frozen for 4 years at W&M. There are also higher costs for some schools. See link. Both schools have raised tuition quite a bit (W&M the most) but have increased aid significantly to lower to middle income families in the process.

https://www.schev.edu/docs/default-source/Reports-and-Studies/2019/201920tuitionandfeereport.pdf

WOW! Intercollegiate Athletics Fees (page 39) $2,000. What a rip-off! Not just W&M, but all schools without big TV money. This has got to change.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Does anyone know why the tuition at W&M is so much higher than other state schools?

cite, please.

It doesn't really require a cite. It just is a fact. I've watched W&M tuition and costs run up in the last six years but don't know why. Currently instate is 36K inclusive and OOS is 60K inclusive. UVA was $16K for instate tuition only when my DD started there (lives off campus so I don't know what the current total is but will go look it up for you).

You’re making an assertion. Back it up with a citation and your claim will have something behind it.

https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

https://www.wm.edu/admission/financialaid/tuition/index.php

For an in-state student, estimated cost of tuition at UVA (including tuition, room & board, and additional fees) is $33,008. At W&M, this is $39,604.

You need to consider in-state tuition is frozen for 4 years at W&M. There are also higher costs for some schools. See link. Both schools have raised tuition quite a bit (W&M the most) but have increased aid significantly to lower to middle income families in the process.

https://www.schev.edu/docs/default-source/Reports-and-Studies/2019/201920tuitionandfeereport.pdf

WOW! Intercollegiate Athletics Fees (page 39) $2,000. What a rip-off! Not just W&M, but all schools without big TV money. This has got to change.

Well, even the Big 5 conference teams, UVA and VT charge athletic fees, $660 and $320, respectively. Only the VCCS system doesn't charge. Average is $1,500. I agree that this isn't right, but few schools are going to not want to have athletics for a variety of reasons. And to be honest, who knows how the money that isn't earmarked is actually spent.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:W&M seems to have so much going for it--well regarded academically, smaller, historic, located in quaint town, and cost-effective if in-state VA. But my in-state DC (with stats to get in) has no interest, and none of their friends do either. They consider it high pressure, low fun. They have heard that it's cutthroat among students. They find the campus old and dated.

DC is applying to Wake Forest, Davidson, and W&L, among a few others. It seems to me that W&M should be right in that mix.

Does W&M have a branding problem? Or is there some truth to the perceptions? I'm pretty much going to insist that DC apply there, to have an in-state LAC option.

One of the hallmarks of William & Mary is that it is not cutthroat. It is collaborative, both between students and faculty. Students appreciate this. You can see that in student surveys and comments.

I guess not everyone is going to want to go to old schools, but by and large, old schools are among the most popular. Think of the Ivy League. William & Mary is the second oldest college in the U.S. I'd think that should ultimately be more of a selling point than a turnoff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:W&M seems to have so much going for it--well regarded academically, smaller, historic, located in quaint town, and cost-effective if in-state VA. But my in-state DC (with stats to get in) has no interest, and none of their friends do either. They consider it high pressure, low fun. They have heard that it's cutthroat among students. They find the campus old and dated.

DC is applying to Wake Forest, Davidson, and W&L, among a few others. It seems to me that W&M should be right in that mix.

Does W&M have a branding problem? Or is there some truth to the perceptions? I'm pretty much going to insist that DC apply there, to have an in-state LAC option.

One of the hallmarks of William & Mary is that it is not cutthroat. It is collaborative, both between students and faculty. Students appreciate this. You can see that in student surveys and comments.

I guess not everyone is going to want to go to old schools, but by and large, old schools are among the most popular. Think of the Ivy League. William & Mary is the second oldest college in the U.S. I'd think that should ultimately be more of a selling point than a turnoff.

I don’t disagree, but many have updated in the right places. A bright, open student center or dining hall, athletics center, or a library addition that encloses an area in glass seem to be common and much-appreciated projects. Williams College library comes quickly to mind but there are hundreds of others, public and private. Many of those old building are beautiful on the outside but dark and cramped on the inside.

[Anonymous]

Because the parents remember when it was a pressure cooker and had an extremely high suicide rate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because the parents remember when it was a pressure cooker and had an extremely high suicide rate.

This is a rumor which has had no basis in fact when use actual data and rates. From an article in the local paper (Virginia Gazette) when William & Mary opened its new student health and wellness center a year ago:

Tracy Cross, a psychology professor at the university, has studied suicidal behavior among gifted students for almost 25 years. He said that while it may be easy to connect high stress and suicide, research shows the two are not directly related. Stress may cause unhealthy habits, but it doesn’t lead people to end their lives. Cross said William and Mary is sometimes labeled as a “suicide school,” but their numbers are no different from the national average.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:About a quarter of the graduating class applies to W&M each year from our small private school. There is lots of interest in the school. It was our child’s first choice - ED acceptance received on Friday

Why apply ED to W&M? In-state acceptance rate is 45%. Pretty much every decent student is getting in. Take an ED shot at a reach school. Then W&M as a solid safety. Right?

Is this a serious question? You do realize that one student’s reach is another student’s safety, right?
-DP