Cruise Ship Lawsuit & Today Show

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Anonymous wrote:These are profoundly ignorant Midwestern Nice types. Myopic and certain they are Good Country People/Real Americans, no matter what.

What the heck does that mean? And their midwestern neighbors are likely straight shooters who are unlikely to be sympathetic to a delusional money and notoriety grab.

I said what I said and even moderately intelligent people know that I’m right. Were the family brown or black, were the Dad not in law enforcement, the comments here would have been vituperative from the jump and a money grab, not a life-raft in a sea of mourning, would’ve been the presumed motive for keeping on with a lawsuit, granting interviews, etc.

It is exhausting to see who gets the benefit of the doubt and who doesn’t in discussion here. And I feel for the family and know this was a horrific and momentary lapse in judgement by the grandfather.

Omg there’s always one around here, isn’t there.

Open your eyes, grow a brain and read the threads. Everyone already thinks the grandfather is a reckless fool and the family are money grabbing leeches. There are just a couple of bleeding hearts on the thread who would absolutely be as inclined if not far more inclined to defend a POC than this family.

Stop inventing problems, you just sound crazy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It makes no sense. The toddler could see out of the glass on the ground, since it was floor-ceiling windows. Grandpa effed up, fatally so.

I know the parents are grieving, but sooner or later they're going to have to address their grief and anger head on - misplacing it on the cruise ship is just going to delay their pain.

I think it was a horrible accident. Multiple people could have done better. RC probably shouldn’t have those windows open on the 11th floor - at least not without some safety bars. They should do better and they should settle. Grandpa messed up as well, but you see parents pick up kids and put them on railings including at Great Falls Park. That is not a good idea either but we also know no window there. It probably happened in one second before grandpa realized. I don’t think he was negligent. Cruise ship should have done better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These are profoundly ignorant Midwestern Nice types. Myopic and certain they are Good Country People/Real Americans, no matter what.

What the heck does that mean? And their midwestern neighbors are likely straight shooters who are unlikely to be sympathetic to a delusional money and notoriety grab.

I said what I said and even moderately intelligent people know that I’m right. Were the family brown or black, were the Dad not in law enforcement, the comments here would have been vituperative from the jump and a money grab, not a life-raft in a sea of mourning, would’ve been the presumed motive for keeping on with a lawsuit, granting interviews, etc.

It is exhausting to see who gets the benefit of the doubt and who doesn’t in discussion here. And I feel for the family and know this was a horrific and momentary lapse in judgement by the grandfather.

Omg there’s always one around here, isn’t there.

Open your eyes, grow a brain and read the threads. Everyone already thinks the grandfather is a reckless fool and the family are money grabbing leeches. There are just a couple of bleeding hearts on the thread who would absolutely be as inclined if not far more inclined to defend a POC than this family.

Stop inventing problems, you just sound crazy.

Nasty basic Becky, feel free to simma down. Like, OMG!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I watched that interview and I sobbed. I think there’s a lot motivating the lawsuit. Heartbreak, denial of the grandfather’s role in this, feelings of anger that are easier to place on a large corporation than a beloved family member, a feeling of hopelessness and need to hold someone accountable, etc.

Their lawyer is a life raft while they are drowning in grief. He is telling them what they want to hear.

I can’t possibly judge this family. RC will be fine based on the fact most people think it was grandpa’s fault anyway. I don’t really think the public at large is outraged at RC. The cruise line will be fine.

This family though is living a nightmare and will be for a long time. Let’s have some compassion even if we don’t agree with the lawsuit.

No.

Trying to devastate someone else's livelihood and a corporation that employees thousands to assuage your own guilt is evil.

This lawsuit isn’t going to “devastate” anyone’s livelihood. Companies get sued all.the.time. They will settle for this to go away for a small amount of their operating budget and move on. I don’t see the cruise industry going bust because of this. To call this family “evil” when they aren’t operating from a sensible objective place right now because they’re reeling with grief is pretty low. They didn’t set out to lose their child just to sue the cruise line. *That* would be evil.

Agree.

And I'll buck the tide - the cruise ship has some liability here - why was there an open window at a height of 11 stories that was not clearly marked? From the other thread you can see the opening. It's not small, and while it would be unlikely that someone would fall out of it, it could happen.

RC can and likely will either countersue or plead contributory negligence on the part of the grandfather, but this is not some either/or situation. A business is responsible for making its premises safe. An unmarked open window at that height is not safe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I watched that interview and I sobbed. I think there’s a lot motivating the lawsuit. Heartbreak, denial of the grandfather’s role in this, feelings of anger that are easier to place on a large corporation than a beloved family member, a feeling of hopelessness and need to hold someone accountable, etc.

Their lawyer is a life raft while they are drowning in grief. He is telling them what they want to hear.

I can’t possibly judge this family. RC will be fine based on the fact most people think it was grandpa’s fault anyway. I don’t really think the public at large is outraged at RC. The cruise line will be fine.

This family though is living a nightmare and will be for a long time. Let’s have some compassion even if we don’t agree with the lawsuit.

No.

Trying to devastate someone else's livelihood and a corporation that employees thousands to assuage your own guilt is evil.

This lawsuit isn’t going to “devastate” anyone’s livelihood. Companies get sued all.the.time. They will settle for this to go away for a small amount of their operating budget and move on. I don’t see the cruise industry going bust because of this. To call this family “evil” when they aren’t operating from a sensible objective place right now because they’re reeling with grief is pretty low. They didn’t set out to lose their child just to sue the cruise line. *That* would be evil.

Agree.

And I'll buck the tide - the cruise ship has some liability here - why was there an open window at a height of 11 stories that was not clearly marked? From the other thread you can see the opening. It's not small, and while it would be unlikely that someone would fall out of it, it could happen.

RC can and likely will either countersue or plead contributory negligence on the part of the grandfather, but this is not some either/or situation. A business is responsible for making its premises safe. An unmarked open window at that height is not safe.

You think all open windows on cruise ships should be marked? OK.

[Anonymous]

RC will give them money to shut them up. I personally don’t think grand pa in any danger of suicide.
Barring every window and drop off on that ship would drastically change it. More likely they just sail it to a different country.

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I’m sure that RC is flagged and registered under a different country, not the US. And those countries laws apply. I do hope they don’t settle just to make this go away. I hope they counter sue and go for reimbursement of their own lawyer fees.

For the PP who thinks there should be warning notices up everywhere- what exactly do you recommend for balcony cabins? Warning notices that climbing on the railing could result in a fall?? Common sense and personal accountability have to come into play somewhere.

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I don’t think the family is trying to profit off of the daughter’s death. I just think they want to blame someone other than grandpa. Trying to place blame on RC and any resulting settlement is tantamount to blood money.

I believe in the universe aligning itself. This family will never have peace and the judgment that they will ultimately receive in the court of public opinion, if there is some kind of settlement, will destroy all of them.

[Anonymous]

How another family handled the death of a family member on a cruise.

Cruise passenger with autism confirmed dead after jumping overboard, allegedly believing 'he was going swimming'. The 22-year-old, who loved cruises, was on the five-day cruise that departed from Mobile, Ala., on Saturday with the Wishes4Me organization — a special needs community where he lived. Renner’s family is thankful that he was with a supportive community when he died, and the family wishes that in lieu of flowers, donations be made to the organization. Wishes4Me is a nonprofit that assists adults who are disabled so they can live a “more active and involved lifestyle.”

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/cruise-passenger-autism-confirmed-dead-jumping-overboard-allegedly-believing-going-swimming-224503364.html

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It makes no sense. The toddler could see out of the glass on the ground, since it was floor-ceiling windows. Grandpa effed up, fatally so.

I know the parents are grieving, but sooner or later they're going to have to address their grief and anger head on - misplacing it on the cruise ship is just going to delay their pain.

I think it was a horrible accident. Multiple people could have done better. RC probably shouldn’t have those windows open on the 11th floor - at least not without some safety bars. They should do better and they should settle. Grandpa messed up as well, but you see parents pick up kids and put them on railings including at Great Falls Park. That is not a good idea either but we also know no window there. It probably happened in one second before grandpa realized. I don’t think he was negligent. Cruise ship should have done better.

Ambulance chaser would love to have you on the jury. Please don't skip jury duty. We need devil's advocate on all of them. [Sarcasm]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the family is trying to profit off of the daughter’s death. I just think they want to blame someone other than grandpa. Trying to place blame on RC and any resulting settlement is tantamount to blood money.

I believe in the universe aligning itself. This family will never have peace and the judgment that they will ultimately receive in the court of public opinion, if there is some kind of settlement, will destroy all of them.

There would be no lawsuit if they weren’t profiting from the death. If they just wanted blame someone other than the real culprit - grandpa - then they could still have their media campaign without a lawsuit. That they are suing makes it 100% clear that they ARE trying to profit off of her death, and it shows exactly what type of people they really are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I follow RC and cruising groups online, and I can report that nobody supports the family of this lawsuit. Nobody. Everyone feels sorry for the family, but the error was the grandfather's judgment.

Other than the child dying, this is the saddest thing I've read on this thread.

Why? I just checked it out and it's a great resource. Not only for a cruiser's perspective on the lawsuit, but about ships and excursions. thank you PP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the family is trying to profit off of the daughter’s death. I just think they want to blame someone other than grandpa. Trying to place blame on RC and any resulting settlement is tantamount to blood money.

I believe in the universe aligning itself. This family will never have peace and the judgment that they will ultimately receive in the court of public opinion, if there is some kind of settlement, will destroy all of them.

There would be no lawsuit if they weren’t profiting from the death. If they just wanted blame someone other than the real culprit - grandpa - then they could still have their media campaign without a lawsuit. That they are suing makes it 100% clear that they ARE trying to profit off of her death, and it shows exactly what type of people they really are.

Based on the Today Show interview the mother seemed very motivated that this not happen to another family. If she actually believes it was RC fault and not grandpa (which I genuinely believe that she believes) then it seems like she is trying to get them to “fix” the situation. We don’t even know that they’re asking for a large sum of money for themselves. They may be suing for a sum to set up a foundation.

I guarantee you they’d rather have their daughter than some financial windfall.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone please post a picture the railing/glass area? I'm having a hard time envisioning what happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the family is trying to profit off of the daughter’s death. I just think they want to blame someone other than grandpa. Trying to place blame on RC and any resulting settlement is tantamount to blood money.

I believe in the universe aligning itself. This family will never have peace and the judgment that they will ultimately receive in the court of public opinion, if there is some kind of settlement, will destroy all of them.

There would be no lawsuit if they weren’t profiting from the death. If they just wanted blame someone other than the real culprit - grandpa - then they could still have their media campaign without a lawsuit. That they are suing makes it 100% clear that they ARE trying to profit off of her death, and it shows exactly what type of people they really are.

Based on the Today Show interview the mother seemed very motivated that this not happen to another family. If she actually believes it was RC fault and not grandpa (which I genuinely believe that she believes) then it seems like she is trying to get them to “fix” the situation. We don’t even know that they’re asking for a large sum of money for themselves. They may be suing for a sum to set up a foundation.

I guarantee you they’d rather have their daughter than some financial windfall.

Then there would be no lawsuit.

And what situation are they going to fix? Have RC post a pic of grandpa with text under it saying - don’t be stupid like this man and hold a child in front of an open window 11 stories up!

These people need to focus on their grief, and their living child, instead of a monetary windfall. Remember, they hired this lawyer within days of the child’s death. Money has been on their mind the whole time.