Friedman column--Trump's Going to Get Re-Elected, Isn't He?

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Anonymous wrote:No, he is not going to get reelected. Every time he gives one of these disgusting speeches he whips his sweaty followers into a frenzy - and turns more people away. Every one of these speeches may as well be a Democratic GOTV effort. We should be paying him to give more of these speeches, because every single one of them makes us more likely to win.

He's not winning anyone new with this dangerous, disgusting schtick.

+1.

USA Today poll:

68% believe Trump’s tweets were offensive
59% believe Trump’s tweets are “un-American”
65% believe what Trump said is racist, including a plurality of Republicans (45-34%)

The problem is that you're thinking that this stuff ^^ is what all Americans will have at the top on their minds when they vote. You have every single Democratic candidate saying they will give free health care to illegal immigrants, while Americans are either paying for private insurance or have no insurance themselves. Then they all say they want to strip the private insurance that many people are happy with and give us government insurance. If you think this sits well with people, think again. Yes, Trump is seen as vile by many Americans. And Dems keep saying "the party isn't the Squad!" But every presidential candidate is as far left as the Squad, or close to it. That's the Dems problem.

In fact none of them said free healthcare for illegal immigrants

Indeed, but Trump and Rs are pushing that narrative, a scare tactic if you will. Kind of like how when they were discussing ACA, some Rs used "death panels" to scare people into not supporting it.

"In the first Democrat debate last week, the 10 candidates on stage the second night on Thursday — including former Vice President Joe Biden as well as Sens. Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand — all raised their hands when asked who would offer health insurance to immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/01/health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants-may-haunt-dems-against-trump.html

“Would offer health insurance” =/= “will give free health care to illegal immigrants.”

Oh, please. You know they will be subsidized. It will end up being free for them. Not for the American citizens, though.
And, the other part of the excerpt from that source is......

"Led by Senator Bernie Sanders, nearly a half-dozen 2020 Democrats have embraced a clear position of offering full access to health-care benefits."

So, those pushing for Medicare for all..... yes, it would be free to illegals. The rest of us would pay.

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^ is your rally over already? shouldn't you be shouting about uppity brown women with your QAnon buddies still?

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Why would it be good to deny people who have managed to get into the country health care?

Do you understand public health? Do you want corpses in the streets?

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Anonymous wrote:No, he is not going to get reelected. Every time he gives one of these disgusting speeches he whips his sweaty followers into a frenzy - and turns more people away. Every one of these speeches may as well be a Democratic GOTV effort. We should be paying him to give more of these speeches, because every single one of them makes us more likely to win.

He's not winning anyone new with this dangerous, disgusting schtick.

+1.

USA Today poll:

68% believe Trump’s tweets were offensive
59% believe Trump’s tweets are “un-American”
65% believe what Trump said is racist, including a plurality of Republicans (45-34%)

The problem is that you're thinking that this stuff ^^ is what all Americans will have at the top on their minds when they vote. You have every single Democratic candidate saying they will give free health care to illegal immigrants, while Americans are either paying for private insurance or have no insurance themselves. Then they all say they want to strip the private insurance that many people are happy with and give us government insurance. If you think this sits well with people, think again. Yes, Trump is seen as vile by many Americans. And Dems keep saying "the party isn't the Squad!" But every presidential candidate is as far left as the Squad, or close to it. That's the Dems problem.

In fact none of them said free healthcare for illegal immigrants

Indeed, but Trump and Rs are pushing that narrative, a scare tactic if you will. Kind of like how when they were discussing ACA, some Rs used "death panels" to scare people into not supporting it.

"In the first Democrat debate last week, the 10 candidates on stage the second night on Thursday — including former Vice President Joe Biden as well as Sens. Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Kirsten Gillibrand — all raised their hands when asked who would offer health insurance to immigrants who entered the U.S. illegally."

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/01/health-care-for-undocumented-immigrants-may-haunt-dems-against-trump.html

“Would offer health insurance” =/= “will give free health care to illegal immigrants.”

Oh, please. You know they will be subsidized. It will end up being free for them. Not for the American citizens, though.
And, the other part of the excerpt from that source is......

"Led by Senator Bernie Sanders, nearly a half-dozen 2020 Democrats have embraced a clear position of offering full access to health-care benefits."

So, those pushing for Medicare for all..... yes, it would be free to illegals. The rest of us would pay.

It is currently free for low income American citizens. It will be in the future. They are not going to take that away from low income Americans. Even if we have medicare for all, it wasn't meant to be free for all, just as it isn't free for all on medicare now. It's a sliding scale. Even without offering this to illegal immigrants, it still wouldn't be free for all.

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Why would it be good to deny people who have managed to get into the country health care?

Do you understand public health? Do you want corpses in the streets?

Or epidemics?

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Anonymous wrote:Why would it be good to deny people who have managed to get into the country health care?

Do you understand public health? Do you want corpses in the streets?

Is that what's happening now?

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Anonymous wrote:Biden or Warren

Biden Pres/Warren V.P.? Could work. That's about the only combination that will (IMHO).

True. Or get Romney in our side and do Biden/Romney . Get some Republicans to dump Trump.

I hate to tell you this but this isn't a two party system where one is as racist and gross as possible, and the other aspires to be the lite version. Democrats are not going to vote for Romney.

Clean your own house. You hear the chants going on at the Trump rally tonight? He's got his stupid followers chanting "send her back" = guess that's the new "lock her up"

I am a Democrat who would vote for Romney if he switched parties. I want Trump out. If Romney or some moderate R went D or I and joined Dem ticket as VP I would vote. Just no more dogs on the car roof.

I’m never voting for a GOP candidate or former GOP candidate ever again. Never ever. Ever. Romney was as pitiful as any of them, begging for a job for Donald.

+ a billion

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Anonymous wrote:Why would it be good to deny people who have managed to get into the country health care?

Do you understand public health? Do you want corpses in the streets?

Is that what's happening now?

With Democrats wanting to remove all barriers to "managing" to get into the country, it's quite an incentive. I'm not seeing any corpses in the streets now, but nice use of hyperbole.

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Anonymous wrote:So the columnist is basically wishing for a new and improved version of Hillary to reappear? Why? The country has moved left. It’s not 1993 anymore, Tom. Dude is stuck in the 90s Heck, even the suburban white womens of Ashburn and places like that are forever blue voters now. And not surprising: they know that a form of progressive socialism will be good news for their sons.

That you actually believe this idiocy just shows how well and truly out of touch you are. Good luck.

Out if touch how? The party has moved left. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:So the columnist is basically wishing for a new and improved version of Hillary to reappear? Why? The country has moved left. It’s not 1993 anymore, Tom. Dude is stuck in the 90s Heck, even the suburban white womens of Ashburn and places like that are forever blue voters now. And not surprising: they know that a form of progressive socialism will be good news for their sons.

That you actually believe this idiocy just shows how well and truly out of touch you are. Good luck.

Out if touch how? The party has moved left. Sorry.

+1.

Does the PP really think that the WI, MI, and PA blue collar voters share AOC's values? Or those of "suburban white womens" of Ashburn?

Those people WILL vote D. They HAVE voted D. But they won't do it for a far left candidate. They'll stay home instead.

Dem's are being so astonishingly foolish.

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Anonymous wrote:Kamala isn’t terribly left. So is your point that she’s black and a woman and thus unelectable? Bernie’s and old curmudgeon with no real plans, just promises. Warren can win. Warren can motivate Democrats and really anyone with a functioning brain stem.

Nope, I think Kamala will have trouble in those states b/c she raised her hand on getting rid of private insurance. Plus, she's associated with SF (way, way left of middle America) and Willie Brown. He was FILTHY.

Warren's plans are too big. Scary to middle America. Need an incrementalist.

I live in Middle America. Neither of them is scary.

And can we talk double standards briefly? I don’t even know who Willie Brown is, though you say he’s filthy. Donald Trump is an accused rapist, traitor, money launderer, and he keeps Epstein and about a hundred monsters and traitors and Nazis as his friends and advisors but that’s cool? I mean do you ever examine your prejudices?

You completely misread the initial post.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the columnist is basically wishing for a new and improved version of Hillary to reappear? Why? The country has moved left. It’s not 1993 anymore, Tom. Dude is stuck in the 90s Heck, even the suburban white womens of Ashburn and places like that are forever blue voters now. And not surprising: they know that a form of progressive socialism will be good news for their sons.

That you actually believe this idiocy just shows how well and truly out of touch you are. Good luck.

Out if touch how? The party has moved left. Sorry.

+1.

Does the PP really think that the WI, MI, and PA blue collar voters share AOC's values? Or those of "suburban white womens" of Ashburn?

Those people WILL vote D. They HAVE voted D. But they won't do it for a far left candidate. They'll stay home instead.
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Dem's are being so astonishingly foolish.

+1 yep

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the columnist is basically wishing for a new and improved version of Hillary to reappear? Why? The country has moved left. It’s not 1993 anymore, Tom. Dude is stuck in the 90s Heck, even the suburban white womens of Ashburn and places like that are forever blue voters now. And not surprising: they know that a form of progressive socialism will be good news for their sons.

That you actually believe this idiocy just shows how well and truly out of touch you are. Good luck.

Out if touch how? The party has moved left. Sorry.

+1.

Does the PP really think that the WI, MI, and PA blue collar voters share AOC's values? Or those of "suburban white womens" of Ashburn?

Those people WILL vote D. They HAVE voted D. But they won't do it for a far left candidate. They'll stay home instead.
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Dem's are being so astonishingly foolish.

+1 yep

I’m pretty sure that any Dem will win in MI, PA, and WI. The promise of universal health care, free college, and high taxes on the rich is populist and reasonable stuff.

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Since Tom Friedman has decided that it is time to panic I assume that we now have no reason to panic.

The man is always full of nonsense (see the Tom Friedman article generator available on the internet).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the columnist is basically wishing for a new and improved version of Hillary to reappear? Why? The country has moved left. It’s not 1993 anymore, Tom. Dude is stuck in the 90s Heck, even the suburban white womens of Ashburn and places like that are forever blue voters now. And not surprising: they know that a form of progressive socialism will be good news for their sons.

That you actually believe this idiocy just shows how well and truly out of touch you are. Good luck.

Out if touch how? The party has moved left. Sorry.

+1.

Does the PP really think that the WI, MI, and PA blue collar voters share AOC's values? Or those of "suburban white womens" of Ashburn?

Those people WILL vote D. They HAVE voted D. But they won't do it for a far left candidate. They'll stay home instead.
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Dem's are being so astonishingly foolish.

+1 yep

I’m pretty sure that any Dem will win in MI, PA, and WI. The promise of universal health care, free college, and high taxes on the rich is populist and reasonable stuff.

You have a point re the freebies; however, it won't happen just with high taxes on the rich. Dems are definitely skilled at offering free stuff. Through tax increases, maybe the middle class workers can work 5 months a year "for free."