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I don’t really know what you mean by the bolded. DD didn’t read an adult novel until 3rd grade I think.

She was at least 6 years ahead in reading at age 4 and she has remained that way. Her comprehension is extremely advanced and remarkable. I never said it wasn’t. I felt like I alluded to it enough when I described how she sat for hours at a time at barely two to listen to chapter books. We didn’t know it at the time. But if you’ve been around a lot of 2yos you learn that’s very abnormal! She has a high IQ, but how am I supposed to act? How are her teachers supposed to act? She’s just a kid. She goes to normal school. Her teachers were not about to give her a 6th grade curriculum so a good K curriculum was just as good as anything in between. We don’t have a gifted program so there isn’t any posturing to be had here. You all could learn to be a little more blasé if you ask me.

You keep contradicting yourself. That's why we're all confused. Sometimes, you say your DD was reading or comprehending a 9th grade or perhaps adult novel (Lord of the Rings) as a 4 year old. Other times, you say she was tested at a 6th grade reading level in K. The first situation is significantly more advanced than the second. A child "merely" reading at a 6th grade level in K could not have read or understood LotR in K, much less as a 4 year old.

I'm glad your child is fine being in regular school with regular kids. Numerous studies have shown that most gifted kids do not function particularly well in a regular classroom.

I’ve never contradicted myself. You may be reading someone else thinking it’s me. I have no idea. I said she could read LOTR with her dad at age four. That I would not say it was her reading level at the time. But that she was at least a 6th grade level in K as tested by professionals.

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+1. It bugs me to no end when parents brag about their kids reading Harry Potter in K-2. It doesn’t mean anything. And frankly, it’s not appropriate in my opinion it read those books so young.

Preach! I am a reading teacher and I completely agree.

Totally agree. I confess, my kid read it in 2nd. Why? It was the "thing" to do in her second grade class. I'm sure it was started by some parent who really wanted her kid to read it early. So all the kids read it or least said they did, and so much went over their heads. Whoosh. Then they all re-read it again in 4th-5th and they got it at a whole new level and loved it. Should never have bothered with the early reading.

Your kid read it despite you not wanting her to because you caved to peer pressure?

[Anonymous]

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I don’t really know what you mean by the bolded. DD didn’t read an adult novel until 3rd grade I think.

She was at least 6 years ahead in reading at age 4 and she has remained that way. Her comprehension is extremely advanced and remarkable. I never said it wasn’t. I felt like I alluded to it enough when I described how she sat for hours at a time at barely two to listen to chapter books. We didn’t know it at the time. But if you’ve been around a lot of 2yos you learn that’s very abnormal! She has a high IQ, but how am I supposed to act? How are her teachers supposed to act? She’s just a kid. She goes to normal school. Her teachers were not about to give her a 6th grade curriculum so a good K curriculum was just as good as anything in between. We don’t have a gifted program so there isn’t any posturing to be had here. You all could learn to be a little more blasé if you ask me.

You keep contradicting yourself. That's why we're all confused. Sometimes, you say your DD was reading or comprehending a 9th grade or perhaps adult novel (Lord of the Rings) as a 4 year old. Other times, you say she was tested at a 6th grade reading level in K. The first situation is significantly more advanced than the second. A child "merely" reading at a 6th grade level in K could not have read or understood LotR in K, much less as a 4 year old.

I'm glad your child is fine being in regular school with regular kids. Numerous studies have shown that most gifted kids do not function particularly well in a regular classroom.

I’ve never contradicted myself. You may be reading someone else thinking it’s me. I have no idea. I said she could read LOTR with her dad at age four. That I would not say it was her reading level at the time. But that she was at least a 6th grade level in K as tested by professionals.

What professionals? What test?

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Where do you think kids like this belong? Like I said, she entered K six years ahead in reading. Even your standard gifted program wouldn’t be a challenge. At least a good K program is fun. She never, as far as I’m aware, sat through a phonics lesson. She could read about any subject that interested her.

They certainly don't belong in regular classrooms. Most kids like this are in self contained gifted classes, in private school, homeschooled, doing online school, or grade skipped by a few grades. Being mind numbingly bored for 7 hours each day isn't good for anyone. Most teachers would not be okay with having a kid sit there learning nothing all day because she is leagues beyond any other kid they've ever taught. I find it astonishing that the psychologists who tested her and her teachers didn't have suggestions as to how her educational needs might be met. I doubt they all thought that a kid who is such an outlier would be fine in a mainstream classroom.

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

[Anonymous]

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I don’t really know what you mean by the bolded. DD didn’t read an adult novel until 3rd grade I think.

She was at least 6 years ahead in reading at age 4 and she has remained that way. Her comprehension is extremely advanced and remarkable. I never said it wasn’t. I felt like I alluded to it enough when I described how she sat for hours at a time at barely two to listen to chapter books. We didn’t know it at the time. But if you’ve been around a lot of 2yos you learn that’s very abnormal! She has a high IQ, but how am I supposed to act? How are her teachers supposed to act? She’s just a kid. She goes to normal school. Her teachers were not about to give her a 6th grade curriculum so a good K curriculum was just as good as anything in between. We don’t have a gifted program so there isn’t any posturing to be had here. You all could learn to be a little more blasé if you ask me.

You keep contradicting yourself. That's why we're all confused. Sometimes, you say your DD was reading or comprehending a 9th grade or perhaps adult novel (Lord of the Rings) as a 4 year old. Other times, you say she was tested at a 6th grade reading level in K. The first situation is significantly more advanced than the second. A child "merely" reading at a 6th grade level in K could not have read or understood LotR in K, much less as a 4 year old.

I'm glad your child is fine being in regular school with regular kids. Numerous studies have shown that most gifted kids do not function particularly well in a regular classroom.

I’ve never contradicted myself. You may be reading someone else thinking it’s me. I have no idea. I said she could read LOTR with her dad at age four. That I would not say it was her reading level at the time. But that she was at least a 6th grade level in K as tested by professionals.

What professionals? What test?

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

That was my original point, too! I totally agree.

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

No. She understood the story at age 4. She followed along day to day. This I am sure.

As far as school, we’ve been quite lucky. We have had a few bumps but that happens with a lot of kids.

Reading evaluations were 1:1 by graduate students and overseen by the head of the program. They used the letter system and were focusing on comprehension.

[Anonymous]

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

No. She understood the story at age 4. She followed along day to day. This I am sure.

As far as school, we’ve been quite lucky. We have had a few bumps but that happens with a lot of kids.

Reading evaluations were 1:1 by graduate students and overseen by the head of the program. They used the letter system and were focusing on comprehension.

I don't think you've read lord of the rings, which is why you don't seem to understand other people's skepticism. Lord of the Rings is an adult novel with a lot of advanced diction and content. It's nothing at all like reading Harry Potter at an early age, since Harry Potter is still a children's book. You said earlier in the thread that your DD was independently reading Charlotte's Web around the same time. There's such an absurdly huge gap between Charlotte's Web and Lord of the Rings that there's no way that a child with an independent reading level of Charlotte's Web is comprehending Lord of the Rings. Your claim really is absurd.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

No. She understood the story at age 4. She followed along day to day. This I am sure.

As far as school, we’ve been quite lucky. We have had a few bumps but that happens with a lot of kids.

Reading evaluations were 1:1 by graduate students and overseen by the head of the program. They used the letter system and were focusing on comprehension.

What was the name of the precise test? Why was it given?

[Anonymous]

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

No. She understood the story at age 4. She followed along day to day. This I am sure.

As far as school, we’ve been quite lucky. We have had a few bumps but that happens with a lot of kids.

Reading evaluations were 1:1 by graduate students and overseen by the head of the program. They used the letter system and were focusing on comprehension.

I don't think you've read lord of the rings, which is why you don't seem to understand other people's skepticism. Lord of the Rings is an adult novel with a lot of advanced diction and content. It's nothing at all like reading Harry Potter at an early age, since Harry Potter is still a children's book. You said earlier in the thread that your DD was independently reading Charlotte's Web around the same time. There's such an absurdly huge gap between Charlotte's Web and Lord of the Rings that there's no way that a child with an independent reading level of Charlotte's Web is comprehending Lord of the Rings. Your claim really is absurd.

I think if you cannot fathom a 4yo comprehending LOTR that’s probably a a result of your past experience. I guess the whole point of my first post was this. Having watched my dd comprehend the text easily when listening to it at age 4 I’m sure there must be a child out there who can read and comprehend it. I’m absolutely sure of it. I just checked and DD read the hobbit on her own shortly after turning 5 and that’s oddly a Lexile of 1000 (while the first LOTR is 800 similar to Harry Potter BTW) Reading levels are a funny thing. I’ve never put too much stock in them.

I think the tests were primarily guided reading but there were maybe other tests.

I doubt there are any questions after this that will compel me to come back and respond. Sorry this thread got derailed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

No. She understood the story at age 4. She followed along day to day. This I am sure.

As far as school, we’ve been quite lucky. We have had a few bumps but that happens with a lot of kids.

Reading evaluations were 1:1 by graduate students and overseen by the head of the program. They used the letter system and were focusing on comprehension.

I don't think you've read lord of the rings, which is why you don't seem to understand other people's skepticism. Lord of the Rings is an adult novel with a lot of advanced diction and content. It's nothing at all like reading Harry Potter at an early age, since Harry Potter is still a children's book. You said earlier in the thread that your DD was independently reading Charlotte's Web around the same time. There's such an absurdly huge gap between Charlotte's Web and Lord of the Rings that there's no way that a child with an independent reading level of Charlotte's Web is comprehending Lord of the Rings. Your claim really is absurd.

I think if you cannot fathom a 4yo comprehending LOTR that’s probably a a result of your past experience. I guess the whole point of my first post was this. Having watched my dd comprehend the text easily when listening to it at age 4 I’m sure there must be a child out there who can read and comprehend it. I’m absolutely sure of it. I just checked and DD read the hobbit on her own shortly after turning 5 and that’s oddly a Lexile of 1000 (while the first LOTR is 800 similar to Harry Potter BTW) Reading levels are a funny thing. I’ve never put too much stock in them.

I think the tests were primarily guided reading but there were maybe other tests.

I doubt there are any questions after this that will compel me to come back and respond. Sorry this thread got derailed.

Hon, I’m sorry. You don’t have a teaching background so you are actually confusing the educational term “comprehension” with your own parental view of “understanding the story”. This is frequently what happens when parents insist their child is reading on a higher level than the teacher says they are. They are two different things. On a DRA, for example, kids have to independently read a text at a certain level and answer comprehension questions about the text. That is what we are talking about in regards to comprehension. There is no way your daughter did this at age 4 and would have passed a DRA using LOTR. She did not comprehend the text in the strict sense we are talking about.

Quick question, are you Asian?

[Anonymous]

So you can’t tell me what the testing was for and what the test was? Your very young child was tested and did well and you’re not even sure if it was on guided reading?

—teacher

[Anonymous]

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I think if you cannot fathom a 4yo comprehending LOTR that’s probably a a result of your past experience. I guess the whole point of my first post was this. Having watched my dd comprehend the text easily when listening to it at age 4 I’m sure there must be a child out there who can read and comprehend it. I’m absolutely sure of it. I just checked and DD read the hobbit on her own shortly after turning 5 and that’s oddly a Lexile of 1000 (while the first LOTR is 800 similar to Harry Potter BTW) Reading levels are a funny thing. I’ve never put too much stock in them.

I think the tests were primarily guided reading but there were maybe other tests.

I doubt there are any questions after this that will compel me to come back and respond. Sorry this thread got derailed.

I'm sure too. There are probably 3 of them, maybe 4. They're not at your DD's school though. Not at my DD's school either.

The point of a gifted program is to bring together peers. Your DD had no peers. Neither would this hypothetical "I'm sure she exists" child.

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She understood enough of LOTR to enjoy it.

That doesn't mean she necessarily understood much of it at all. She could enjoy the cadence of your DH's voice and having snuggle time with her dad without understanding much of the book. Lots of kids love sitting on a parent's lap and having books read to them, even if they don't understand anything. If your DD's reading level was "only" 6 years ahead in K, then she flat out wasn't comprehending Lord of the Rings in pre-K. Unless the kid passed some sort of reading comprehension test for LotR at age 4, then I call BS on any 4 year olds comprehending LotR.

No. She understood the story at age 4. She followed along day to day. This I am sure.

As far as school, we’ve been quite lucky. We have had a few bumps but that happens with a lot of kids.

Reading evaluations were 1:1 by graduate students and overseen by the head of the program. They used the letter system and were focusing on comprehension.

I don't think you've read lord of the rings, which is why you don't seem to understand other people's skepticism. Lord of the Rings is an adult novel with a lot of advanced diction and content. It's nothing at all like reading Harry Potter at an early age, since Harry Potter is still a children's book. You said earlier in the thread that your DD was independently reading Charlotte's Web around the same time. There's such an absurdly huge gap between Charlotte's Web and Lord of the Rings that there's no way that a child with an independent reading level of Charlotte's Web is comprehending Lord of the Rings. Your claim really is absurd.

I think if you cannot fathom a 4yo comprehending LOTR that’s probably a a result of your past experience. I guess the whole point of my first post was this. Having watched my dd comprehend the text easily when listening to it at age 4 I’m sure there must be a child out there who can read and comprehend it. I’m absolutely sure of it. I just checked and DD read the hobbit on her own shortly after turning 5 and that’s oddly a Lexile of 1000 (while the first LOTR is 800 similar to Harry Potter BTW) Reading levels are a funny thing. I’ve never put too much stock in them.

I think the tests were primarily guided reading but there were maybe other tests.

I doubt there are any questions after this that will compel me to come back and respond. Sorry this thread got derailed.

Hon, I’m sorry. You don’t have a teaching background so you are actually confusing the educational term “comprehension” with your own parental view of “understanding the story”. This is frequently what happens when parents insist their child is reading on a higher level than the teacher says they are. They are two different things. On a DRA, for example, kids have to independently read a text at a certain level and answer comprehension questions about the text. That is what we are talking about in regards to comprehension. There is no way your daughter did this at age 4 and would have passed a DRA using LOTR. She did not comprehend the text in the strict sense we are talking about.

Quick question, are you Asian?

She’s never done the DRA. Your comprehension skills are lacking. I said she was given reading levels by teachers. Not me. I never said she would pass a reading test on LOTR. She never took one. Nor did we ever make her read it by herself. I do know she comprehended it to some extent seeing as she was tested at a 6th grade level shortly after—and that’s her reading comprehension not listening comprehension—tested by a teacher. And it was capped at 6th grade. LOTR is not much higher than 6th if you look it up. She’s very good with comprehension and abstract reasoning. I don’t know how to make you believe me and I’ve lost interest.