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I think if you cannot fathom a 4yo comprehending LOTR that’s probably a a result of your past experience. I guess the whole point of my first post was this. Having watched my dd comprehend the text easily when listening to it at age 4 I’m sure there must be a child out there who can read and comprehend it. I’m absolutely sure of it. I just checked and DD read the hobbit on her own shortly after turning 5 and that’s oddly a Lexile of 1000 (while the first LOTR is 800 similar to Harry Potter BTW) Reading levels are a funny thing. I’ve never put too much stock in them.

I think the tests were primarily guided reading but there were maybe other tests.

I doubt there are any questions after this that will compel me to come back and respond. Sorry this thread got derailed.

I'm sure too. There are probably 3 of them, maybe 4. They're not at your DD's school though. Not at my DD's school either.

The point of a gifted program is to bring together peers. Your DD had no peers. Neither would this hypothetical "I'm sure she exists" child.

My dd has had plenty of intellectual peers. Precocious reading is just one manifestation of her type of intellectual strength. I never said there was a kid in her school who was a better reader. But she has had friends who challenged her intellectually. Very smart kids.

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I'm sure too. There are probably 3 of them, maybe 4. They're not at your DD's school though. Not at my DD's school either.

The point of a gifted program is to bring together peers. Your DD had no peers. Neither would this hypothetical "I'm sure she exists" child.

I'm sure there are a very small number of kids at that level, too. They would all be such extreme outliers that there's no way the kid is fine in regular school and no way that the parents would be so nonchalant about it. Kids like that are the types who attend college at age 12. If kids at the 99.999th percentile are just sitting in a regular classroom, then their parents did an especially poor job of advocating for their kids.

I'm not sure where people are getting the idea that LOTR is 6th grade reading level. Scholastic says it's grades 9-12 and beyond a DRA 70. Lexile measures are especially poor and are essentially meaningless for reading level.

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My dd has had plenty of intellectual peers. Precocious reading is just one manifestation of her type of intellectual strength. I never said there was a kid in her school who was a better reader. But she has had friends who challenged her intellectually. Very smart kids.

Where is this school that has a bunch of profoundly gifted kids in a regular classroom?

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Accelerated reader puts it at 6th grade level. But I do think it’s harder than that.

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In order for a teacher to give a level, some sort of standardized comprehension test would have had to have been used. You are absolutely clueless. Please stop responding to this thread - I thought nothing could bring you back?

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I don’t think the above poster gets it. First, no one will change her mind. She can’t tell us what test was give or why. She won’t explain why graduate students were testing her very young child. (what parent wouldn’t remember this information or want to disclose it if all true)?

To be at a 6th grade level, a tester would need her to test and pass the reading tests for both fiction and nonfiction AND beyond second grade, the reading comprehension testing has a big writing component to it. My guess is that this mom believes her kid is at x level and comprehending books at that level. She will always believe that. No one else will unless she can give concrete information as to the questions asked. As for LOTR, dad probably either stooped and summarized as he read or someone gave the kid the gist or she also saw the movie. I have no doubt the kid enjoyed it though & that’s great.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the above poster gets it. First, no one will change her mind. She can’t tell us what test was give or why. She won’t explain why graduate students were testing her very young child. (what parent wouldn’t remember this information or want to disclose it if all true)?

To be at a 6th grade level, a tester would need her to test and pass the reading tests for both fiction and nonfiction AND beyond second grade, the reading comprehension testing has a big writing component to it. My guess is that this mom believes her kid is at x level and comprehending books at that level. She will always believe that. No one else will unless she can give concrete information as to the questions asked. As for LOTR, dad probably either stooped and summarized as he read or someone gave the kid the gist or she also saw the movie. I have no doubt the kid enjoyed it though & that’s great.

Exactly! Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the above poster gets it. First, no one will change her mind. She can’t tell us what test was give or why. She won’t explain why graduate students were testing her very young child. (what parent wouldn’t remember this information or want to disclose it if all true)?

To be at a 6th grade level, a tester would need her to test and pass the reading tests for both fiction and nonfiction AND beyond second grade, the reading comprehension testing has a big writing component to it. My guess is that this mom believes her kid is at x level and comprehending books at that level. She will always believe that. No one else will unless she can give concrete information as to the questions asked. As for LOTR, dad probably either stooped and summarized as he read or someone gave the kid the gist or she also saw the movie. I have no doubt the kid enjoyed it though & that’s great.

I go by what multiple teachers and reading specialists tell me. Not what random internet strangers think. She’s just always been a really good reader with high comprehension skills. I know parents overestimate their kids reading ability, but I’ve only given you the concrete information I have been given by teachers and testing. You seem oddly hung up on a specific test. I told you she participated in a program where she was evaluated by graduate students over multiple weeks using multiple instruments. This was a lab setting. I’m not going to go into specifics because it’s obvious you won’t be happy until I link the write ups. You’re unhinged. You’re also stuck on this specific book, LOTR. Which I never even said she read. In kindergarten she was given a 6th grade reading level. In 3rd grade she was 10th. In 5th she was college level. She will likely take college classes as a 12yo or maybe more like 13-14, but they will be in math and science! And still, currently a rural public school where apparently PG kids don’t exist. but, yeah, let’s continue to disbelieve every parent who says their 8yo read Harry Potter because it’s impossible! Literally impossible!

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I don’t believe you because of the facts you’ve provided and don’t provide. It isn’t that I don’t believe a kid could exist list this. It’s that I don’t believe it’s your kid. You refuse to say what the testing was or what it was for. You refuse to say why graduate students were the ones administering the test.

I personally brought up lotr one time. Guess what? Looks like lots of people don’t believe you.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe you because of the facts you’ve provided and don’t provide. It isn’t that I don’t believe a kid could exist list this. It’s that I don’t believe it’s your kid. You refuse to say what the testing was or what it was for. You refuse to say why graduate students were the ones administering the test.

I personally brought up lotr one time. Guess what? Looks like lots of people don’t believe you.

Why would it matter? Why would any of this matter? I told you it was in a lab. Do you not understand what that means? She participated in a study in kindergarten. More extensively in 1st—specifically comprehension. And then a slightly different type of study in 2nd. You are so weird.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t believe you because of the facts you’ve provided and don’t provide. It isn’t that I don’t believe a kid could exist list this. It’s that I don’t believe it’s your kid. You refuse to say what the testing was or what it was for. You refuse to say why graduate students were the ones administering the test.

I personally brought up lotr one time. Guess what? Looks like lots of people don’t believe you.

You don’t believe it’s anyone’s kid—you’re the poster rolling your eyes at parents claiming their 8yo read and comprehended Harry Potter. It’s very odd. It’s one thing to question a parent, “oh, was he actually tested at that level by a teacher?” I get it. So many parents aggrandize their kids’ achievements. But to then disbelieve the testing? All the teachers? You are are being willfully ignorant. I don’t know why? You’re a bitter teacher? Or a threatened parent?

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I'm the PP who was hung up on LotR. Honestly, though, the part of your story that seems off to me is not that your child may have been tested at 6 years above grade level as a 4 year old, but rather that you would just shrug your shoulders, put her in regular school, and assume everything would be fine. I doubt any parent would go "... Hmm.. My 4 year old tests at the academic level of a 10 year old. I'll just put her in regular K to learn letter sounds and counting."

Also, your insistence that she has a decent peer group in regular school is weird. It's statistically unlikely that there's even another child in her class in the 99th percentile. Even if there was, there's still a huge gulf between a profoundly gifted child and a child barely in the 99th percentile.

When all of this extensive testing and studying was done, didn't they have any suggestions for how your child's academic needs might be met? I'm shocked that the psychologists in the testing study didn't give you any advice or resources for your extremely rare, outlier child.

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Anonymous wrote: She will likely take college classes as a 12yo or maybe more like 13-14, but they will be in math and science! And still, currently a rural public school where apparently PG kids don’t exist.

How is she going to be qualified for college level math classes at 12 if she's just doing regular rural public school classes? At least, you've made it seem like she's really just in regular public school and not even grade skipped or radically accelerated in any subjects. Math is sequential. You can't just skip ahead to college level without having the foundation in high school level math.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think the above poster gets it. First, no one will change her mind. She can’t tell us what test was give or why. She won’t explain why graduate students were testing her very young child. (what parent wouldn’t remember this information or want to disclose it if all true)?

To be at a 6th grade level, a tester would need her to test and pass the reading tests for both fiction and nonfiction AND beyond second grade, the reading comprehension testing has a big writing component to it. My guess is that this mom believes her kid is at x level and comprehending books at that level. She will always believe that. No one else will unless she can give concrete information as to the questions asked. As for LOTR, dad probably either stooped and summarized as he read or someone gave the kid the gist or she also saw the movie. I have no doubt the kid enjoyed it though & that’s great.

I go by what multiple teachers and reading specialists tell me. Not what random internet strangers think. She’s just always been a really good reader with high comprehension skills. I know parents overestimate their kids reading ability, but I’ve only given you the concrete information I have been given by teachers and testing. You seem oddly hung up on a specific test. I told you she participated in a program where she was evaluated by graduate students over multiple weeks using multiple instruments. This was a lab setting. I’m not going to go into specifics because it’s obvious you won’t be happy until I link the write ups. You’re unhinged. You’re also stuck on this specific book, LOTR. Which I never even said she read. In kindergarten she was given a 6th grade reading level. In 3rd grade she was 10th. In 5th she was college level. She will likely take college classes as a 12yo or maybe more like 13-14, but they will be in math and science! And still, currently a rural public school where apparently PG kids don’t exist. but, yeah, let’s continue to disbelieve every parent who says their 8yo read Harry Potter because it’s impossible! Literally impossible!

Wait, now we’re back to just Harry Potter? What happened to the 4 year old who could read and comprehend Lord of the Rings? This is fun

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I have seen parents said their babies could walk but it was not really walking for bystanders. On the other hand, some babies are truly earlier walkers, earlier talkers... I can understand inexperienced parents are very proud when babies reach those milestones, I was probably one of them. But come on, does those really matter when they are 10 years old? Einstein is a late talker, so what?