4th Grade CES Admission Criteria?

[Anonymous]

"The Centers are designed for students whose needs cannot
easily be met in their home school and are seen as outliers
amongst their peers."

-MCPS presentation
https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/uploadedFiles/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/Parent%20Presentations%202017-2018.Jan.2018(1).pdf

My DD did get in and is attending, FWIW, but many of her friends who are excellent students did not.

[Anonymous]

Admissions criteria as laid out by MCPS. Look at "local peer group" reference.

"Students who demonstrate an academic need beyond
their local peer group will be considered for one of the
seats in the regional centers.
A committee meets to examine a variety of data
sources which include academic performance,
standardized tests, local peer group, and potential for
success with accelerated and enriched instruction. "

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Admissions criteria as laid out by MCPS. Look at "local peer group" reference.

"Students who demonstrate an academic need beyond
their local peer group will be considered for one of the
seats in the regional centers.
A committee meets to examine a variety of data
sources which include academic performance,
standardized tests, local peer group, and potential for
success with accelerated and enriched instruction. "

If this from an official source, why not provide a link; otherwise, I have to think you wrote it yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."

So when did peer group become slang for racial illegal balancing? These aren't exactly the same thing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."

So when did peer group become slang for racial illegal balancing? These aren't exactly the same thing.

It didn't. These people are just delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."

Sounds more like MCPS-speak for "it's not you, it's me".

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."

So when did peer group become slang for racial illegal balancing? These aren't exactly the same thing.

It didn't. These people are just delusional.

It's not hard to figure out what group is hurt most by "peer cohort" criteria.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Admissions criteria as laid out by MCPS. Look at "local peer group" reference.

"Students who demonstrate an academic need beyond
their local peer group will be considered for one of the
seats in the regional centers.
A committee meets to examine a variety of data
sources which include academic performance,
standardized tests, local peer group, and potential for
success with accelerated and enriched instruction. "

If this from an official source, why not provide a link; otherwise, I have to think you wrote it yourself.

It's from the same source. Get over yourself. You keep posting the same stuff on this thread. Just because you keep repeating something doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."

So when did peer group become slang for racial illegal balancing? These aren't exactly the same thing.

It didn't. These people are just delusional.

How did you know?? Dr. Smith is clearly part of an Illuminati conspiracy to steal your children's CES seats and replace them with undeserving minorities!!@

You people are insane.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

False

Cohort is absolutely a criteria for CES admission. They told parents that last year. We had several kids waitlisted from our ES, and MCPS told them that their kids were denied admission due to a strong 'cohort' at the home school.

I'm afraid you've confused the middle school magnet criteria which uses cohort with CES that does not.

No, I have not confused anything.

Parents who had kids on the Wait List for a CES were told that their kids were not admitted due to a strong cohort in their ES. The CES definitely considers cohort, at least according to MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

False

Cohort is absolutely a criteria for CES admission. They told parents that last year. We had several kids waitlisted from our ES, and MCPS told them that their kids were denied admission due to a strong 'cohort' at the home school.

I'm afraid you've confused the middle school magnet criteria which uses cohort with CES that does not.

No, I have not confused anything.

Parents who had kids on the Wait List for a CES were told that their kids were not admitted due to a strong cohort in their ES. The CES definitely considers cohort, at least according to MCPS.

Being on the wait list is different than not being admitted. There are many more qualified students than there are CES seats. This has always been the case, but now they are looking at all third graders, not just those that applied, so the wait list is much larger.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

False

Cohort is absolutely a criteria for CES admission. They told parents that last year. We had several kids waitlisted from our ES, and MCPS told them that their kids were denied admission due to a strong 'cohort' at the home school.

I'm afraid you've confused the middle school magnet criteria which uses cohort with CES that does not.

No, I have not confused anything.

Parents who had kids on the Wait List for a CES were told that their kids were not admitted due to a strong cohort in their ES. The CES definitely considers cohort, at least according to MCPS.

Being on the wait list is different than not being admitted. There are many more qualified students than there are CES seats. This has always been the case, but now they are looking at all third graders, not just those that applied, so the wait list is much larger.

Again, that is not true.

MCPS itself says that the Wait List is a pure lottery system. Every single kid on the Wait List is equally qualified to be in a CES, according to MCPS.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP. What are you saying is "not true" ? I agree with what you said and it isn't inconsistent with what I said.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."

So when did peer group become slang for racial illegal balancing? These aren't exactly the same thing.

It didn't. These people are just delusional.

How did you know?? Dr. Smith is clearly part of an Illuminati conspiracy to steal your children's CES seats and replace them with undeserving minorities!!@

You people are insane.

So true!

[Anonymous]

MCPS itself says that the Wait List is a pure lottery system.
^^True

Every single kid on the Wait List is equally qualified to be in a CES, according to MCPS.
^^Not necessarily true. How do you define qualified? Could they handle the work? Or that they "need" a specialized program because they are so beyond their peers?

From what we have seen there are extremely few outliers or the 0.01% at the CES. Most of the students are regular, bright and mostly hard-working kids like mine who would have been fine at their home school.