4th Grade CES Admission Criteria?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

The official criteria are listed on the MCPS website and doesn't mention that.

data was used to evaluate children includes

1) Grade 3 report card,
2) MAP-R and MAP-M
3) reading level
4) access to math enrichment,
5) non-scored student questionnaire (voice)
6) CogAT Screener,
7) Student services such as receiving special education services, ESOL, 504 accommodations, and Free and Reduced Meals

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[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

[Anonymous]

It's gerrymandering. They redrew some of the boundaries and changed some criteria to put students from certain backgrounds at an advantage. No judgment on whether this is right or wrong but it's a fact. They have said their goal was to increase diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's gerrymandering. They redrew some of the boundaries and changed some criteria to put students from certain backgrounds at an advantage. No judgment on whether this is right or wrong but it's a fact. They have said their goal was to increase diversity.

cite actual evidence or it's not true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

Yes it is. Just read the full linked info at 17:17 above.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

False

Cohort is absolutely a criteria for CES admission. They told parents that last year. We had several kids waitlisted from our ES, and MCPS told them that their kids were denied admission due to a strong 'cohort' at the home school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's gerrymandering. They redrew some of the boundaries and changed some criteria to put students from certain backgrounds at an advantage. No judgment on whether this is right or wrong but it's a fact. They have said their goal was to increase diversity.

cite actual evidence or it's not true

They have said over and over again that their goal is to increase the diversity of the magnet programs. Look at every talk and speech and promotional material.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's gerrymandering. They redrew some of the boundaries and changed some criteria to put students from certain backgrounds at an advantage. No judgment on whether this is right or wrong but it's a fact. They have said their goal was to increase diversity.

cite actual evidence or it's not true

They have said over and over again that their goal is to increase the diversity of the magnet programs. Look at every talk and speech and promotional material.

If that's true can you provide one link where "they" officially state this because it seems like that would be a solid basis for a lawsuit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

False

Cohort is absolutely a criteria for CES admission. They told parents that last year. We had several kids waitlisted from our ES, and MCPS told them that their kids were denied admission due to a strong 'cohort' at the home school.

I'm afraid you've confused the middle school magnet criteria which uses cohort with CES that does not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you are an underrepresented group, you have a significant leg-up in the selection criteria. They try to have a healthy mix of experiences and backgrounds otherwise you get a group of students who are basically all the same and don't really challenge each other in enough ways.

That's actually against the law and if they did that they would be sued.

Yes, it's fiction that some parents like to repeat. Apparently, it makes them feel better to blame others for their own failings despite a lack of evidence.

New Poster here. I am not sure if it's against the law to admit students that might have disadvantages into the program for a wider representation.

That said, I have heard that mcps wants more diversity from three different admin people (on the higher ups in ES) mentioned this to me in passing.

It’s possible they wish the program were more diverse but isn’t race a protected class. Consequently the selection committee does not know a candidates race, name or gender. As the earlier poster said, these rumors are fiction.

Indeed, which is why they look at "cohort". It's not difficult to figure out that if a student has a larger cohort of very high scoring students, that student probably lives in one of the W clusters.

Someone posted a link on the forum that shows how many students from each MS for example scored very high on not just the magnet entrance test, but on MAP and PARCC. You had the usual suspects of a large group of very high scoring students.

Yes, I know this thread is about CES, but it stands to reason that this same logic would apply to CES admissions.

Except cohort isn't a criteria for CES admission/

Yes it is. Just read the full linked info at 17:17 above.

FARMs or an IEP which is a factor for CES admissions does not equate to the cohort criteria used for middle school magnet admissions.

[Anonymous]

They explicitly mentioned peer group for CES. Very few kids from our elementary got in and they told parents it was due to a very large "peer group."