4th Grade CES Admission Criteria?

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Anonymous wrote:"I guess you could try moving to a cohort-less ES,...."

This will be the only winning strategy. A 99% kid in the W cluster will not get in. A 99% or even just 97% kid in the Rockville HS cluster ES would definitely get in CES.

This is not the winning strategy. My 99% kid didn’t get in and we’re not in a W cluster.

But do you live in Rockville?

DP. We do; however, my 99% kid who didn't get in is in a W cluster.. My bad, should have moved to Twinbrook ES catchment area..

But, jokes apart, you can't be serious! Who on Earth is buying and selling - and moving into rentals - just to get into MoCo's "enriched" programs? If you have the money to pull all that s--t off, just send your child to private and save yourself the grief.

I know people who are purposely renting in a district with a local CES.

CES only really matters if your child needs to opt out of their local environment because of low peers. It is an opt out for too many poor kids, it isn’t some automatic transformative life altering experience. If your kids already has lots of 1% around them who cares.

Nonsense! There's 1% and the 0.1%.

LOL -- I hope this is satire.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's gerrymandering. They redrew some of the boundaries and changed some criteria to put students from certain backgrounds at an advantage. No judgment on whether this is right or wrong but it's a fact. They have said their goal was to increase diversity.

cite actual evidence or it's not true

They have said over and over again that their goal is to increase the diversity of the magnet programs. Look at every talk and speech and promotional material.

cite evidence of the gerrymandering.

[Anonymous]

People seem to be forgetting a few things:

* Most CES programs are regional, and MCPS is highly segregated. This means that your precious snowflake from Bethesda is not actually "competing" for a CES spot with a child from Langley Park. Your child is "competing" with other upper middle class, likely white/Asian, well-prepared kids.

* MCPS is blind to race in magnet admissions. Yes, cohort matters, but race doesn't. It can't, by law. There are proxies, like FARMS status and the demographics of the overall school, but race is explicitly not considered.

* So, honestly, the best thing to do if you want CES admission so badly is to move to an integrated neighborhood. But, you know, most folks are willing to go THAT far.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"I guess you could try moving to a cohort-less ES,...."

This will be the only winning strategy. A 99% kid in the W cluster will not get in. A 99% or even just 97% kid in the Rockville HS cluster ES would definitely get in CES.

This is not the winning strategy. My 99% kid didn’t get in and we’re not in a W cluster.

But do you live in Rockville?

DP. We do; however, my 99% kid who didn't get in is in a W cluster.. My bad, should have moved to Twinbrook ES catchment area..

But, jokes apart, you can't be serious! Who on Earth is buying and selling - and moving into rentals - just to get into MoCo's "enriched" programs? If you have the money to pull all that s--t off, just send your child to private and save yourself the grief.

I know people who are purposely renting in a district with a local CES.

CES only really matters if your child needs to opt out of their local environment because of low peers. It is an opt out for too many poor kids, it isn’t some automatic transformative life altering experience. If your kids already has lots of 1% around them who cares.

Nonsense! There's 1% and the 0.1%.

LOL -- I hope this is satire.

It was...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People seem to be forgetting a few things:

* Most CES programs are regional, and MCPS is highly segregated. This means that your precious snowflake from Bethesda is not actually "competing" for a CES spot with a child from Langley Park. Your child is "competing" with other upper middle class, likely white/Asian, well-prepared kids.

* MCPS is blind to race in magnet admissions. Yes, cohort matters, but race doesn't. It can't, by law. There are proxies, like FARMS status and the demographics of the overall school, but race is explicitly not considered.

* So, honestly, the best thing to do if you want CES admission so badly is to move to an integrated neighborhood. But, you know, most folks are willing to go THAT far.

Exactly!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People seem to be forgetting a few things:

* Most CES programs are regional, and MCPS is highly segregated. This means that your precious snowflake from Bethesda is not actually "competing" for a CES spot with a child from Langley Park. Your child is "competing" with other upper middle class, likely white/Asian, well-prepared kids.

* MCPS is blind to race in magnet admissions. Yes, cohort matters, but race doesn't. It can't, by law. There are proxies, like FARMS status and the demographics of the overall school, but race is explicitly not considered.

* So, honestly, the best thing to do if you want CES admission so badly is to move to an integrated neighborhood. But, you know, most folks are willing to go THAT far.

Exactly!

I also agree. And it’s 100% the case that your child is not competing with children from Langley Park because Langley Park is in Prince George’s County.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People seem to be forgetting a few things:

* Most CES programs are regional, and MCPS is highly segregated. This means that your precious snowflake from Bethesda is not actually "competing" for a CES spot with a child from Langley Park. Your child is "competing" with other upper middle class, likely white/Asian, well-prepared kids.

* MCPS is blind to race in magnet admissions. Yes, cohort matters, but race doesn't. It can't, by law. There are proxies, like FARMS status and the demographics of the overall school, but race is explicitly not considered.

* So, honestly, the best thing to do if you want CES admission so badly is to move to an integrated neighborhood. But, you know, most folks are willing to go THAT far.

Exactly!

I also agree. And it’s 100% the case that your child is not competing with children from Langley Park because Langley Park is in Prince George’s County.

I think PP meant the eastern Takoma Park neighborhood immediately adjacent. But that area goes to Piney Branch, which has a local CES anyway.

[Anonymous]

This is why MCPS moved WJ over to the Chevy Chase CES. So the white and Asian kids would only compete with other white and Asian kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People seem to be forgetting a few things:

* Most CES programs are regional, and MCPS is highly segregated. This means that your precious snowflake from Bethesda is not actually "competing" for a CES spot with a child from Langley Park. Your child is "competing" with other upper middle class, likely white/Asian, well-prepared kids.

* MCPS is blind to race in magnet admissions. Yes, cohort matters, but race doesn't. It can't, by law. There are proxies, like FARMS status and the demographics of the overall school, but race is explicitly not considered.

* So, honestly, the best thing to do if you want CES admission so badly is to move to an integrated neighborhood. But, you know, most folks are willing to go THAT far.

Exactly!

I also agree. And it’s 100% the case that your child is not competing with children from Langley Park because Langley Park is in Prince George’s County.

I think PP meant the eastern Takoma Park neighborhood immediately adjacent. But that area goes to Piney Branch, which has a local CES anyway.

I'm the PP and I did indeed mean the immediately adjacent neighborhood, some of which is Takoma Park and some of which is zoned for the Oak View or Pine Crest regional CES programs, depending on how broadly one is defining Eastern Silver Spring.

At any rate, the point is that all of the regional CES programs in that part of the county draw from schools that are majority kids of color, and many of the schools are majority working class. This means that the person above complaining that "W Schools" are being harmed by the cohort criteria is just plain wrong, as their child is only "harmed" if compared against kids who lack their advantages.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why MCPS moved WJ over to the Chevy Chase CES. So the white and Asian kids would only compete with other white and Asian kids.

That was because they had more space available at Chevy Chase once their 6th grade classes were moved to Silver Creek, and WJ is an adjacent cluster.

[Anonymous]

Their 6th grade classes were moved a long time ago. The WJ
schools are nowhere near Chevy Chase. Also, would you like to buy a bridge?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People seem to be forgetting a few things:

* Most CES programs are regional, and MCPS is highly segregated. This means that your precious snowflake from Bethesda is not actually "competing" for a CES spot with a child from Langley Park. Your child is "competing" with other upper middle class, likely white/Asian, well-prepared kids.

* MCPS is blind to race in magnet admissions. Yes, cohort matters, but race doesn't. It can't, by law. There are proxies, like FARMS status and the demographics of the overall school, but race is explicitly not considered.

* So, honestly, the best thing to do if you want CES admission so badly is to move to an integrated neighborhood. But, you know, most folks are willing to go THAT far.

Exactly!

I also agree. And it’s 100% the case that your child is not competing with children from Langley Park because Langley Park is in Prince George’s County.

I think PP meant the eastern Takoma Park neighborhood immediately adjacent. But that area goes to Piney Branch, which has a local CES anyway.

I'm the PP and I did indeed mean the immediately adjacent neighborhood, some of which is Takoma Park and some of which is zoned for the Oak View or Pine Crest regional CES programs, depending on how broadly one is defining Eastern Silver Spring.

At any rate, the point is that all of the regional CES programs in that part of the county draw from schools that are majority kids of color, and many of the schools are majority working class. This means that the person above complaining that "W Schools" are being harmed by the cohort criteria is just plain wrong, as their child is only "harmed" if compared against kids who lack their advantages.

Logically, that makes sense, but in the absence of clear information from the county, conspiracy theories abound. I have no doubt that the county wants to increase diversity in the magnet programs generally, and that it "local peer group"/cohort is a factor at the ES level (the county's presentations on its website state as much), but I tend to agree that this factor has a muted impact at regional CES programs that draw from relatively similar ES's. It's entirely possible, however, that even in that situation, more students were selected from one particular ES versus another ES because of the relative strengths of the student bodies, but that's completely different from what some people believe (and, incidentally, is doing little to nothing to improve diversity at the CES). I could see a scenario where a large ES in a W cluster is at a disadvantage compared to a small ES in the same cluster, where a suitable "local peer group" may be less likely to exist and it may be harder to provide more accelerated instruction. But, frankly, without, actual data, all of this is speculation about the actual impact of the change in selection criteria. The one clear change is that every 3rd grader was considered, to some degree, compared to the prior self-selection process that obviously advantaged kids whose parents bothered to apply to the program. But if every qualified kid in a W-cluster ES was already applying, the change likely had little effect. But, again, without data, who knows.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their 6th grade classes were moved a long time ago. The WJ
schools are nowhere near Chevy Chase. Also, would you like to buy a bridge?

6th grade classes were still at CCES through 2017. That's a long time ago?
And the WJ cluster borders BCC and Whitman clusters, all of which now go to the Chevy Chase CES. WJ was also "nowhere near" Barnsley, some would say.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is why MCPS moved WJ over to the Chevy Chase CES. So the white and Asian kids would only compete with other white and Asian kids.

ITA I live in the Barnsely CES cluster, and it used to include WJ cluster. There were several kids from WJ in my kid's HGC class. That group was the biggest contingent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Their 6th grade classes were moved a long time ago. The WJ
schools are nowhere near Chevy Chase. Also, would you like to buy a bridge?

6th grade classes were still at CCES through 2017. That's a long time ago?
And the WJ cluster borders BCC and Whitman clusters, all of which now go to the Chevy Chase CES. WJ was also "nowhere near" Barnsley, some would say.

The bus ride is much longer to CCES than to Barnsley for many students from the WJ cluster.