Oberlin or NYU

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oberlin average test scores for admitted freshmen appear to be in decline, at least per the CDS they report. Admit rates also going up. Make of that what you will.

++1000
Also its ranked #30 in US News for liberal Arts schools not 5-10. Its rankings have been falling for years. about two years ago it was at 23... those are the facts

..........................2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997
Oberlin College OH 24 23 23 25 26 25 23 22 20 20 22 23 23 24 23 22 23 25 24 22 24

Such a plummet in USNWR! What an embarrassment!

PP was it ever in the top 5-10???

Who cares?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oberlin average test scores for admitted freshmen appear to be in decline, at least per the CDS they report. Admit rates also going up. Make of that what you will.

++1000
Also its ranked #30 in US News for liberal Arts schools not 5-10. Its rankings have been falling for years. about two years ago it was at 23... those are the facts

..........................2017 2016 2015 2014 2013 2012 2011 2010 2009 2008 2007 2006 2005 2004 2003 2002 2001 2000 1999 1998 1997
Oberlin College OH 24 23 23 25 26 25 23 22 20 20 22 23 23 24 23 22 23 25 24 22 24

Such a plummet in USNWR! What an embarrassment!

PP was it ever in the top 5-10???

In 1990 it was #9, but that is irrelevant because they only ranked 25 schools back then and left out many top schools like Harvey Mudd, the service academies, and others. The stats posted shows they have been very consistent over the last 20 years. A ranking that has ranged from 10-30 in a ranking of hundreds of LACs is hardly a plummet to any but the most ideologically poisoned. As a poster (incorrectly) said above, "those are the facts".

Also, rankings don't matter.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Which is harder to get into?

How likely would NYU be for my DS - full pay, solid B, 1250, early decision?

DS is planning to apply to Oberlin if he gets rejected from NYU.

I know I'm generalizing here, and may just plain be partly wrong.

My feeling is that NYU still has a reputation for being a school for unserious trust fund babies. But, if it's so hard to get into, maybe getting good grades there is pretty hard.

If a student might have to work hard to get good grades at an expensive school with an iffy academic reputation, maybe the student would be better off at a different school.

Example: If what your son likes about NYU is the idea of going to a private school in the middle of New York, how about the New School? It looks as if the average SAT score for the New School is about 1200.

If your son is more business-oriented, PACE University has an average SAT score of about 1100, and it has a campus right by City Hall in New York.

NYU had 75,000 applicants for the class of 2018 and a 19% acceptance rate. The median SAT was 1440 and the typical student had an A/A- average. Some posters have dated information. Getting into NYU has gotten significantly harder over the last 5 years.

Wow. I went to NYU years ago, class of 1993; there were many bright kids, but also many who weren’t particularly studious or intellectual; I think it’s gotten much harder to get in since I was there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:To not acknowledge the significant challenges oberlin faces is idiotic if you’re evaluating college options. Just do a cursory search and you’ll find lawsuits, budgetary shortfalls, administration misadventures, student hysteria.....not isolated incidents. If that’s the environment you seek then by all means apply but go in with open eyes and don’t listen to some random alums in denial.

You want to discuss specific items, that is legit. But you don't get to spout alternative facts regarding test scores and rankings.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Oberlin average test scores for admitted freshmen appear to be in decline, at least per the CDS they report. Admit rates also going up. Make of that what you will.

ACT scores:

2013 28-32
2017 28-33
2018 (admitted students) 30-34

Yep, totally going down!

As I said before, I was looking at the CDS the school reports, which report 29-31 for 2018, lower than the 2017 numbers you cite. And citing admitted students doesn't help anything, as the fact that some kids may use the school as a safety doesn't help. It does seem to be growing somewhat less selective based solely on admit rates.

None of this means Oberlin is not a great education. But they may be worth further exploration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oberlin average test scores for admitted freshmen appear to be in decline, at least per the CDS they report. Admit rates also going up. Make of that what you will.

ACT scores:

2013 28-32
2017 28-33
2018 (admitted students) 30-34

Yep, totally going down!

As I said before, I was looking at the CDS the school reports, which report 29-31 for 2018, lower than the 2017 numbers you cite. And citing admitted students doesn't help anything, as the fact that some kids may use the school as a safety doesn't help. It does seem to be growing somewhat less selective based solely on admit rates.

None of this means Oberlin is not a great education. But they may be worth further exploration.

Its really sad that the forum can't be a place for parents to get information. SO many parents inflate or deflate information based on schools without facts and so many parents offer statements/opinions based on 1990s information. then when they are called on it they respond with who cares. its all very deceitful. Just admit you like the school because you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oberlin average test scores for admitted freshmen appear to be in decline, at least per the CDS they report. Admit rates also going up. Make of that what you will.

ACT scores:

2013 28-32
2017 28-33
2018 (admitted students) 30-34

Yep, totally going down!

As I said before, I was looking at the CDS the school reports, which report 29-31 for 2018, lower than the 2017 numbers you cite. And citing admitted students doesn't help anything, as the fact that some kids may use the school as a safety doesn't help. It does seem to be growing somewhat less selective based solely on admit rates.

None of this means Oberlin is not a great education. But they may be worth further exploration.

Can you link to the CDS you are citing? The one I looked at http://www2.oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/www/cds/cds_explain.html didn't seem to have any ACT numbers, although I may have missed them.

Also, if you are trying to claim going from 28-33 to 29-31 is a drop when talking about 800 students in a one-year sample, well that is statistically unsound. You could just as easily say they are better because there are fewer at the bottom.

Please also don't forget these statistics are being discussed in the context of the claim that Oberlin is somehow less desirable because of the political activities of some of its students. That dog don't hunt.

[Anonymous]

http://www2.oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/www/cds/2018/

For some reason, the admissions page takes a long time to load, so that may have been why you did not see them.

Again, ti is worth investigating, particularly since other well regarded SLACs appear to be getting higher, and in some cases substantially higher over the same period.

And as for whether the dog hunts, how do you explain the increase in admission rates? It is not unreasonable to surmise that some of the activism, particularly as portrayed in the media, has dissuaded some quality candidates.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:http://www2.oberlin.edu/instres/irhome/www/cds/2018/

For some reason, the admissions page takes a long time to load, so that may have been why you did not see them.

Again, ti is worth investigating, particularly since other well regarded SLACs appear to be getting higher, and in some cases substantially higher over the same period.

And as for whether the dog hunts, how do you explain the increase in admission rates? It is not unreasonable to surmise that some of the activism, particularly as portrayed in the media, has dissuaded some quality candidates.

Activism doesn't bother me it's the stupidity and lack of integrity of the activism that bothers me. A black student gets caught stealing wine, fights with the shopkeepers and levels accusations of racism. And rather the censure the law-breaking student, the college boycotts the store? Read about the ensuing lawsuit and the college's unwillingness to admit fault here.....


https://www.weeklystandard.com/daniel-mcgraw/gibsons-bakery-lawsuit-why-cant-oberlin-fix-a-simple-town-vs-gown-battle

[Anonymous]

If you compare Oberlin's stats with other schools, you'll see Oberlin is comparable to top 5-11 schools.

Mid 50% Range

Oberlin (https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/class-profile )
1320-1520
30-34

Middlebury (http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile )
1340-1520
33-34

Claremont McKenna ( https://www.cmc.edu/institutional-research/fact-sheet )
1340-1510
30-34

Haverford ( https://www.haverford.edu/admission/resources/class-2022 )
1420-1470
32-34

Vassar
https://admissions.vassar.edu/docs/statistics/Vassar-ClassProfile2022.pdf
1390-1500
31-33

Davidson ( https://www.davidson.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/class-of-2022-profile )
1290-1450
29-33

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you compare Oberlin's stats with other schools, you'll see Oberlin is comparable to top 5-11 schools.

Mid 50% Range

Oberlin (https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/class-profile )
1320-1520
30-34

Middlebury (http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile )
1340-1520
33-34

Claremont McKenna ( https://www.cmc.edu/institutional-research/fact-sheet )
1340-1510
30-34

Haverford ( https://www.haverford.edu/admission/resources/class-2022 )
1420-1470
32-34

Vassar
https://admissions.vassar.edu/docs/statistics/Vassar-ClassProfile2022.pdf
1390-1500
31-33

Davidson ( https://www.davidson.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/class-of-2022-profile )
1290-1450
29-33

OK defensive Oberlin grad........we get it. And yet your clown college is swirling the drain.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you compare Oberlin's stats with other schools, you'll see Oberlin is comparable to top 5-11 schools.

Mid 50% Range

Oberlin (https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/class-profile )
1320-1520
30-34

Middlebury (http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile )
1340-1520
33-34

Claremont McKenna ( https://www.cmc.edu/institutional-research/fact-sheet )
1340-1510
30-34

Haverford ( https://www.haverford.edu/admission/resources/class-2022 )
1420-1470
32-34

Vassar
https://admissions.vassar.edu/docs/statistics/Vassar-ClassProfile2022.pdf
1390-1500
31-33

Davidson ( https://www.davidson.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/class-of-2022-profile )
1290-1450
29-33

OK defensive Oberlin grad........we get it. And yet your clown college is swirling the drain.

???????
Your insecurity - your college rejection - is showing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you compare Oberlin's stats with other schools, you'll see Oberlin is comparable to top 5-11 schools.

Mid 50% Range

Oberlin (https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/class-profile )
1320-1520
30-34

Middlebury (http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile )
1340-1520
33-34

Claremont McKenna ( https://www.cmc.edu/institutional-research/fact-sheet )
1340-1510
30-34

Haverford ( https://www.haverford.edu/admission/resources/class-2022 )
1420-1470
32-34

Vassar
https://admissions.vassar.edu/docs/statistics/Vassar-ClassProfile2022.pdf
1390-1500
31-33

Davidson ( https://www.davidson.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/class-of-2022-profile )
1290-1450
29-33

OK defensive Oberlin grad........we get it. And yet your clown college is swirling the drain.

???????
Your insecurity - your college rejection - is showing.

Lol...I graduated from an Ivy so whatever.....I literally couldn't care less about your shitty little Ohio LAC.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If you compare Oberlin's stats with other schools, you'll see Oberlin is comparable to top 5-11 schools.

Mid 50% Range

Oberlin (https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/class-profile )
1320-1520
30-34

Middlebury (http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile )
1340-1520
33-34

Claremont McKenna ( https://www.cmc.edu/institutional-research/fact-sheet )
1340-1510
30-34

Haverford ( https://www.haverford.edu/admission/resources/class-2022 )
1420-1470
32-34

Vassar
https://admissions.vassar.edu/docs/statistics/Vassar-ClassProfile2022.pdf
1390-1500
31-33

Davidson ( https://www.davidson.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/class-of-2022-profile )
1290-1450
29-33

OK defensive Oberlin grad........we get it. And yet your clown college is swirling the drain.

???????
Your insecurity - your college rejection - is showing.

Lol...I graduated from an Ivy so whatever.....I literally couldn't care less about your shitty little Ohio LAC.

Ok Trump, you and your Penn Ivy may think you are at the center of the universe. My little shithole Ohio LAC doesn't give a hoot who is at the center of the universe.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If you compare Oberlin's stats with other schools, you'll see Oberlin is comparable to top 5-11 schools.

Mid 50% Range

Oberlin (https://www.oberlin.edu/admissions-and-aid/class-profile )
1320-1520
30-34

Middlebury (http://www.middlebury.edu/admissions/start/profile )
1340-1520
33-34

Claremont McKenna ( https://www.cmc.edu/institutional-research/fact-sheet )
1340-1510
30-34

Haverford ( https://www.haverford.edu/admission/resources/class-2022 )
1420-1470
32-34

Vassar
https://admissions.vassar.edu/docs/statistics/Vassar-ClassProfile2022.pdf
1390-1500
31-33

Davidson ( https://www.davidson.edu/admission-and-financial-aid/class-of-2022-profile )
1290-1450
29-33

Please use real numbers! Those are not Oberlin's numbers according to Oberlin.