Faith and the Reward of Heaven
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Anonymous
I never said "denominations" I sad people - individual people. We both agree that we don't want the bad actors of any group to represent the more reasonable, moderate, moral majority. |
Anonymous
So you accept that Christianity doesn’t teach this? That’s progress. But why do you insist on confusing self-deluding hypocrites with “Christianity” writ large? |
Anonymous
Of course. I said that repeatedly. And because there's a difference between Christians, and Christianity. And both break down and branch out even further. Ditto for any other religion - there's no singular Christianity, just as there is no singular Islam, singular Judaism, etc. |
Anonymous
Starting with your first post on this thread, at 8:18 on page one, you claim this is the “most prevalent belief in Christianity” and you continue through the following pages equating this slur about free passes with “Christianity.” You haven’t tried to disassociate Christianity from its more hypocritical individual adherents until just the last page, when it was pointed out that people do this to Muslims and that’s equally unfair. Could I suggest leaving your broad brush at home next time, and trying to learn more about the actual tenets of other faiths. |
Anonymous
I’m curious about this too. How does the scales concept deal with murder and rape? If I pay restitution to the family of the person I killed, does that wipe out my crime? Do I need to live a life of good deeds to wipe out murder or rape? If the second, this doesn’t actually seem very different from the Christian (scriptural, not self-deluded hypocrites) concept. |
Anonymous
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In Islam, the concept of blood money means that you can pay restitution to the family of somebody you murder.
Does that wipe your slate clean, so that you can get into heaven? Or do you need to live a good life from there on? |
Anonymous
So can rich people do bad things and buy it their way out? |
jsteele
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That's not an Islamic belief. That is a cultural tradition held by some cultures that also practice Islam. |
Anonymous
Inquisition was not a Christian belief. That was a cultural tradition held by some cultures that also practiced Christianity. |
Anonymous
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The "Qur'an" specifies the principle of Qisas (i.e. retaliation) and compensation (diyah) in cases where one Muslim kills another Muslim.[4]
It is not for a believer [Muslim] to kill a believer unless (it be) by mistake. He who hath killed a believer by mistake must set free a believing slave, and pay the diya to the family of the slain unless they remit it as a charity. If he (the victim) be of a people hostile unto you, and he is a believer, then (the penance is) to set free a believing slave. And if he cometh of a folk between whom and you there is a covenant, then the diya must be paid unto his folk and (also) a believing slave must be set free. And whoso hath not the wherewithal must fast two consecutive months. A penance from Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise. Quran 4:92 |
Anonymous
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Pakistan Edit Pakistan, which is predominantly Hanafi Sunni Muslim nation, introduced Qisas and Diyat Ordinance in 1990, amending sections 229 to 338 of Pakistan Penal code.[34] The new Ordinance replaced British era criminal laws on bodily hurt and murder with sharia-compliant provisions, as demanded by the Shariat Appellate Bench of Pakistan's Supreme Court. The Criminal Procedure Code was also amended to give legal heirs of a murdered person to enter into compromise and accept diyah compensation, instead of demanding qisas-based retaliatory penalties for murder or bodily hurt.[34] The democratically elected government of Nawaz Sharif, in 1997, replaced the Ordinance by enacting the qisas and diyah sharia provisions as the law, through an Act of its Parliament.[35] The sharia-compliant Qisas and Diyat law made murder a private offense, not a crime against society or state, and thus the pursuit, prosecution, and punishment for murder has become the responsibility of the victim's heirs and guardians.[35] The Pakistan Penal Code modernized the Hanafi doctrine of qisas and diya by eliminating distinctions between Muslims and non-Muslims.[36] Controversies arising from the Diyat law of Pakistan involve cases of honor killings of girls, where the killers were employed by the same family members of the victim who under the Diyya law have the power to forgive the killer — and did forgive him.[35][37] Another issue is the intentional murder or bodily harm of poor people by wealthy individuals, where the only punishment the perpetrators suffer is paying monetary compensation that constitutes a small fraction of their income or wealth.[38] 6] Iran Edit During the four haraam months; namely Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab; when wars and killings were traditionally discouraged in the Arabian Peninsula and later in the larger Islamic world, the blood money rates is increased by a third.[31] In Iran, as in Saudi Arabia, the rates for bloody crimes committed against Iranian non-Muslims used to be half the rate prescribed for Muslim victims, but a change was enacted in 2004 by amending article 297 of the 1991 Islamic Penal Code, authorizing equal "blood money" (diyeh) for the death of Muslims and non-Muslims.[32] However, according to the 2006 US State Department Religious Freedom Report on Iran, "all women and Baha'i men were excluded from the equalization provisions of the bill; according to the Iranian law, Baha'i blood is considered Mobah, meaning it can be spilled with impunity".[32] 6] Iran Edit During the four haraam months; namely Dhu al-Qi'dah, Dhu al-Hijjah, Muharram, and Rajab; when wars and killings were traditionally discouraged in the Arabian Peninsula and later in the larger Islamic world, the blood money rates is increased by a third.[31] In Iran, as in Saudi Arabia, the rates for bloody crimes committed against Iranian non-Muslims used to be half the rate prescribed for Muslim victims, but a change was enacted in 2004 by amending article 297 of the 1991 Islamic Penal Code, authorizing equal "blood money" (diyeh) for the death of Muslims and non-Muslims.[32] However, according to the 2006 US State Department Religious Freedom Report on Iran, "all women and Baha'i men were excluded from the equalization provisions of the bill; according to the Iranian law, Baha'i blood is considered Mobah, meaning it can be spilled with impunity".[32] Wikipedia seems to have info it’s law in some Islamic countries. |
Anonymous
What does Koran say about killing non-Muslims? And how do you get in heaven after killing non-Muslims? |
Anonymous
I don’t know a lot about it but it seems the penalty for non- believers, women and kids are less of not at all. |
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Weird that pp insisted for 5 pages that Christianity’s salvation through sincere repentance is the religion with the “outrageous free pass, ridiculous, wtf!” But she can’t be bothered to come back and explain this. |