Dating and Feminism - Question for Men

[Anonymous]

Can we at least dispense with the thoroughly debunked "equal pay" argument? Men and women working side by side, doing the same work, with similar education and experience earn the same pay - or within a couple of percentage points at least.

We all know the only thing "the man" likes better than keeping women down is money. If they could squeeze out 23% extra profit, male unemployment would skyrocket over night.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are these guys responding?? What circles do they run in? Is it really possible they don't have feminists as friends and wives and girlfriends?? This is bizarre to me, as I have to search my brain to think of anyone (man or woman) I know who is NOT a feminist.

Being a feminist means something totally different to a lot of men. Do you view men as competition? Do you think that women can "do it all"? Are you considered to be "very opinionated" by family/friends? Do you think that women are equal to men in terms of athletics? Are you somewhat unkempt? Are you more masculine than your average American woman?

If you answered yes to most of those questions, then normal guys (non brainwashed) will view you as a feminist. I think many women would probably have a vastly different definition of what it is to be a feminist. So that is why guys only want to pump and dump theses women. They are basically royal beeotches and not worth your time.

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Anonymous wrote:Men - What do you think when a woman says she is a feminist?

What do you think if a woman says she isn't a feminist?

How much does it matter what political stance she has?
Liberal who isn't a feminist or conservative who isn't a feminist or liberal who is a feminist or conservative who is a feminist?

What are your immediate reactions?

Immediate reaction is that she's either clueless or a demagogue.

Then, when the check arrives, I ask her if she's planning to cover it full or better half half.

Wow! I don't think you go on many second dates. If you invited me to a date, than you pay. If I invited you than I pay. It is pretty simple. You shouldn't use feminism to be a cheap bastard.

Dated very well and happily married, sweetie

A real feminist doesn't believe in all that traditional and sexist dating nonsense, so this is a great way to put them to the test.

Wait, did I miss out on some kind of guidebook on how to be a "real" feminist? Am I now disqualified from feminism for dating?

Of course not!

You are only disqualified from being a feminist if, in practice, you expect the guy to pay most of the time.

In my experience this is a common expectation in the US and one that would horrify European women -- perhaps that's why they have so many women Prime Ministers there, I just thought of five in five seconds!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we at least dispense with the thoroughly debunked "equal pay" argument? Men and women working side by side, doing the same work, with similar education and experience earn the same pay - or within a couple of percentage points at least.

We all know the only thing "the man" likes better than keeping women down is money. If they could squeeze out 23% extra profit, male unemployment would skyrocket over night.

Good point.

Even better, some smart CEO woman would hire all those underpaid women, give them.a 5% raise, and build an intergalactic empire!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would never date a man who didn't identify as a feminist.

And this is coming from being raised in a Muslim family, where my Muslim father was a solid equality supporting feminist, who understood and denounced the fact that women & girls were treated unfairly (even in the US), and regularly got the short end of the stick much too often - and usually as the default.

If you're a man and not a feminist, I'm going to assume you have some deep insecurity/value issues that step much further than gender issues, and stay far away from you.

I don't think you understand the term "feminist"

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Anonymous wrote:My first thought: "that's nice, sweetie."

My first spoken response: "how do you feel about alimony?"

Also, “are you going to pay half of the bill tonight and for your own Uber?”

Women have two mentalities/stages in their lives that they vacillate between (and is why they innately cannot be happy and truly love a man):

Wanting things done TO them and Wanting things done FOR them.

Feminists are confused between the two and tend to be angry until they figure this out.

^^ this guy gets it

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who are these guys responding??

IDK who they are, but the thread title is asking a question for men. Might be why they're responding?

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Anonymous wrote:Men - What do you think when a woman says she is a feminist?

What do you think if a woman says she isn't a feminist?

How much does it matter what political stance she has?
Liberal who isn't a feminist or conservative who isn't a feminist or liberal who is a feminist or conservative who is a feminist?

What are your immediate reactions?

Immediate reaction is that she's either clueless or a demagogue.

Then, when the check arrives, I ask her if she's planning to cover it full or better half half.

Wow! I don't think you go on many second dates. If you invited me to a date, than you pay. If I invited you than I pay. It is pretty simple. You shouldn't use feminism to be a cheap bastard.

Dated very well and happily married, sweetie

A real feminist doesn't believe in all that traditional and sexist dating nonsense, so this is a great way to put them to the test.

Wait, did I miss out on some kind of guidebook on how to be a "real" feminist? Am I now disqualified from feminism for dating?

Of course not!

You are only disqualified from being a feminist if, in practice, you expect the guy to pay most of the time.

In my experience this is a common expectation in the US and one that would horrify European women -- perhaps that's why they have so many women Prime Ministers there, I just thought of five in five seconds!

If the person who invites me on a DATE, than yes I expect him or her to pay unless we made it clear from the beginning that we are going dutch. If I invited a man or woman to do something than I would pay. Also, you really don't know how happily you are married, pp. You spouse may not be and too afraid to tell you, Sweetie!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would never date a man who didn't identify as a feminist.

And this is coming from being raised in a Muslim family, where my Muslim father was a solid equality supporting feminist, who understood and denounced the fact that women & girls were treated unfairly (even in the US), and regularly got the short end of the stick much too often - and usually as the default.

If you're a man and not a feminist, I'm going to assume you have some deep insecurity/value issues that step much further than gender issues, and stay far away from you.

I agree 100 percent!

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Anonymous wrote:My first thought is, is she hot?

Then I wonder if she hates men

Nailed it

Third thought---how much of a pain in this ass will this woman be

Fourth thought - Which lawyer do I contact to draw up the "Pre-f**k" documents so she doesn't sue me that I didn't read the body language that said "no" when she actually said "yes".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Men - What do you think when a woman says she is a feminist?

What do you think if a woman says she isn't a feminist?

How much does it matter what political stance she has?
Liberal who isn't a feminist or conservative who isn't a feminist or liberal who is a feminist or conservative who is a feminist?

What are your immediate reactions?

My reaction is that a woman that is competitive with men lacks amibition and doesn't understand true female power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would never date a man who didn’t identify as a feminist.

Welcome to the Spinsters Club Of Greater Washington.

[Anonymous]

Here's how a "pump-and-dump" candidate feminist looks like. Their verbal and non-verbal communication implies that everything about me sucks yet they don't look too bad..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMcjxSThD54

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we at least dispense with the thoroughly debunked "equal pay" argument? Men and women working side by side, doing the same work, with similar education and experience earn the same pay - or within a couple of percentage points at least.

We all know the only thing "the man" likes better than keeping women down is money. If they could squeeze out 23% extra profit, male unemployment would skyrocket over night.

Not debunked in data. I've seen it first hand. Massive percentage points. The glass ceiling exists. Particularly obvious the higher you climb.

[Anonymous]

Feminism is the advocacy of women's rights. It isn't about equality between men and women - that is egalitarianism.

Feminism cares about women. It cares only about men in terms of calculating or measuring a gap between men and women or the power/ oppressive nature of men.

I am egalitarian. I care about men's and women's rights.