Should a Teacher be required to Say the pledge

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

In all my years of teaching, the thought "I hope my American students kick the butts of those Brits" never crossed my mind. I even taught students who were not American citizens and - gasp- expended just as much energy teaching those French kids the same things I was teaching the American ones.

You are an idiot.
Or a troll. I'm hoping troll.

Oh, are you a British citizen teaching in an American public school? Or are you an American teacher, teaching in a U.S. public school?

You have a serious reading comprehension issue...

And I really hope that you don't call your students "idiots".

OMG. You DO have a reading comph issue. Go back and read it carefully. I don't think PP was calling her students "idiots."

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens. Of course it matters.

Logic or information is not a strong suit for your ilk, is it. The Constitution offers the same protections when it comes to this issue to citizens and non-citizens alike. Please just go back into the hole you came out of.

Actually, I don't think that non-citizens get the exact same protections as U.S. citizens....I'm not well versed on Constitutional law (not sure why I would be, I'm not a Constitutional law attorney).

Then why are you making uneducated comments? Yes, everyone in 'murka is afforded same First Amendment protections. Free speech is not only for citizens. Ever consider that half of that classroom could be citizens of some other nation? I live in DC and my son's classroom is probably 50% non-American (diplomats mostly). Good luck requiring them to say the pledge. But even my American kid is not required and will never be. I urge you to read, study, inform yourself before making inflammatory, stupid statements.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's not a republic. It's an oligarchy.

It's a country. Not a nation.

There is not liberty and justice for all.

It's not indivisible.

It's a stupid pledge. Thinking anyone should be forced to say it is even stupider.

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I'm a high school math teacher. I don't say the pledge because I think it is ridiculous to say those words every day. I invite all you pledge lovers to begin each day at your work by solemnly standing up and reciting the pledge before getting back to work. Better yet, try to get everyone in your office on board and lead them in a group recitation of the pledge every morning. See how long that lasts.

Yeah, we don't have home room, pep rallies, yearbook, band and football at work, either. It's a pledge said one time at the beginning of the morning with your students. I'm actually really surprised that this is even a big deal. If I remember correctly, by the time I was in HS we said the pledge in our sub school or even in the cafeteria....as opposed to inside a classroom.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens. Of course it matters.

Logic or information is not a strong suit for your ilk, is it. The Constitution offers the same protections when it comes to this issue to citizens and non-citizens alike. Please just go back into the hole you came out of.

Actually, I don't think that non-citizens get the exact same protections as U.S. citizens....I'm not well versed on Constitutional law (not sure why I would be, I'm not a Constitutional law attorney).

Then why are you making uneducated comments? Yes, everyone in 'murka is afforded same First Amendment protections. Free speech is not only for citizens. Ever consider that half of that classroom could be citizens of some other nation? I live in DC and my son's classroom is probably 50% non-American (diplomats mostly). Good luck requiring them to say the pledge. But even my American kid is not required and will never be. I urge you to read, study, inform yourself before making inflammatory, stupid statements.

Never said that all students should be required to say the pledge. I really don't care what your child's classroom make up is - it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's. And if you think that only Constitutional law attorneys are "allowed" to have an opinion as to what goes on our children's schools - oh well, you are dead wrong on that.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens. Of course it matters.

Logic or information is not a strong suit for your ilk, is it. The Constitution offers the same protections when it comes to this issue to citizens and non-citizens alike. Please just go back into the hole you came out of.

Actually, I don't think that non-citizens get the exact same protections as U.S. citizens....I'm not well versed on Constitutional law (not sure why I would be, I'm not a Constitutional law attorney).

Then why are you making uneducated comments? Yes, everyone in 'murka is afforded same First Amendment protections. Free speech is not only for citizens. Ever consider that half of that classroom could be citizens of some other nation? I live in DC and my son's classroom is probably 50% non-American (diplomats mostly). Good luck requiring them to say the pledge. But even my American kid is not required and will never be. I urge you to read, study, inform yourself before making inflammatory, stupid statements.

Never said that all students should be required to say the pledge. I really don't care what your child's classroom make up is - it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's. And if you think that only Constitutional law attorneys are "allowed" to have an opinion as to what goes on our children's schools - oh well, you are dead wrong on that.

It does matter that you are making statements affirming something you know absolutely nothing about. So, no, you don't have to be a constitutional scholar, but you at least should know the basis if you are going to be arguing about it.

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This is the best thread ever. British teachers secretly undermining American youth so the kids in Ye Olde England receive superior educations.

It's like the Manchurian Candidate, but with the PSAT.

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Anonymous wrote:This is the best thread ever. British teachers secretly undermining American youth so the kids in Ye Olde England receive superior educations.

It's like the Manchurian Candidate, but with the PSAT.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens. Of course it matters.

Logic or information is not a strong suit for your ilk, is it. The Constitution offers the same protections when it comes to this issue to citizens and non-citizens alike. Please just go back into the hole you came out of.

Actually, I don't think that non-citizens get the exact same protections as U.S. citizens....I'm not well versed on Constitutional law (not sure why I would be, I'm not a Constitutional law attorney).

Then why are you making uneducated comments? Yes, everyone in 'murka is afforded same First Amendment protections. Free speech is not only for citizens. Ever consider that half of that classroom could be citizens of some other nation? I live in DC and my son's classroom is probably 50% non-American (diplomats mostly). Good luck requiring them to say the pledge. But even my American kid is not required and will never be. I urge you to read, study, inform yourself before making inflammatory, stupid statements.

Never said that all students should be required to say the pledge. I really don't care what your child's classroom make up is - it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's. And if you think that only Constitutional law attorneys are "allowed" to have an opinion as to what goes on our children's schools - oh well, you are dead wrong on that.

It does matter that you are making statements affirming something you know absolutely nothing about. So, no, you don't have to be a constitutional scholar, but you at least should know the basis if you are going to be arguing about it.

Well, call me an idiot. But the Constitution was originally intended to protect the freedom of U.S. citizens. If we have somehow managed to interpret it in ways that are contrary to the well being of this country and it's lawful citizens it is time to revisit those interpretations. Something is out of whack.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should a Teacher be required to Say the pledge ? MY DS Teacher stands up for the pledge but doesn't say it. Should He? Should I email him and ask why he doesn't stand up and say it loudly?

PLEASE DO email the teacher and report back.

BTW, how old is your son who is reporting that his teacher doesn't say the pledge?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

In all my years of teaching, the thought "I hope my American students kick the butts of those Brits" never crossed my mind. I even taught students who were not American citizens and - gasp- expended just as much energy teaching those French kids the same things I was teaching the American ones.

You are an idiot.
Or a troll. I'm hoping troll.

Oh, are you a British citizen teaching in an American public school? Or are you an American teacher, teaching in a U.S. public school?

You have a serious reading comprehension issue...

And I really hope that you don't call your students "idiots".

OMG. You DO have a reading comph issue. Go back and read it carefully. I don't think PP was calling her students "idiots."

Well, she certainly did call me an idiot. And I certainly hope that she doesn't call her students "idiots". So, yeah...

[Anonymous]

Why are you capitalizing Teacher like that?

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Anonymous wrote:There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this

You don't have to like kids. Heck, you can really, really dislike kids. But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination. You are really delusional.

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England. I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though .

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved. Does the Constitution not matter to you?

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens. Of course it matters.

Logic or information is not a strong suit for your ilk, is it. The Constitution offers the same protections when it comes to this issue to citizens and non-citizens alike. Please just go back into the hole you came out of.

Actually, I don't think that non-citizens get the exact same protections as U.S. citizens....I'm not well versed on Constitutional law (not sure why I would be, I'm not a Constitutional law attorney).

Then why are you making uneducated comments? Yes, everyone in 'murka is afforded same First Amendment protections. Free speech is not only for citizens. Ever consider that half of that classroom could be citizens of some other nation? I live in DC and my son's classroom is probably 50% non-American (diplomats mostly). Good luck requiring them to say the pledge. But even my American kid is not required and will never be. I urge you to read, study, inform yourself before making inflammatory, stupid statements.

Never said that all students should be required to say the pledge. I really don't care what your child's classroom make up is - it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's. And if you think that only Constitutional law attorneys are "allowed" to have an opinion as to what goes on our children's schools - oh well, you are dead wrong on that.

It does matter that you are making statements affirming something you know absolutely nothing about. So, no, you don't have to be a constitutional scholar, but you at least should know the basis if you are going to be arguing about it.

Well, call me an idiot. But the Constitution was originally intended to protect the freedom of U.S. citizens. If we have somehow managed to interpret it in ways that are contrary to the well being of this country and it's lawful citizens it is time to revisit those interpretations. Something is out of whack.

Dafuq are you talking about?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the best thread ever. British teachers secretly undermining American youth so the kids in Ye Olde England receive superior educations.

It's like the Manchurian Candidate, but with the PSAT.

It would be hilarious if we didn't keep getting those danged statistics showing how U.S. kids are falling behind other countries.....

[Anonymous]

Well, call me an idiot. But the Constitution was originally intended to protect the freedom of U.S. citizens. If we have somehow managed to interpret it in ways that are contrary to the well being of this country and it's lawful citizens it is time to revisit those interpretations. Something is out of whack.

You are an idiot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I dont have kids in school yet but I thought schools didnt say the pledge every morning anymore?

My daughter's class does-wait for it-in Spanish.

GAHHHH! BUILD THE WALL! FAST!