Should a Teacher be required to Say the pledge

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He should stand out of respect. I don't think he should be forced to recite the pledge. However, I am really glad my children went to schools where this was never an issue. I'm about as liberal as you'll find and don't think anyone should be forced to recite the pledge, but I have zero respect for those who make that choice. In other words, I'm glad you have the choice, but I don't want my kids around you if you choose it.

Children are not required to recite it. The teacher is standing out of respect.

Why do you have zero respect for someone who does not recite thee pledge of allegiance? What do you think that means? (psst- it may not be what you think)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

[Anonymous]

Of course not. No one should be required to say it. To suggest otherwise is un-American.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect.

Children do not have to say it. They do not even have to stand for it. The rule is that they must be respectful of those around them and not disrupt those who are saying it.

+1. This. The teacher needs to stand and be respectful. It's probably best if the teacher does not announce to the class that she is not reciting, or explain why. Other than that, welcome to the 1st Amendment. It still applies, despite Trump's best efforts.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

This is so absurd I hardly even know where to begin. But you are clearly a narrow minded bigoted fool. Just because you are from another country does not mean that you are secretly hoping they do better--such a stupid assumption. You do not need to be an American to be a good teacher, and it is not a privilege to be a teacher, it's a job.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

This is so absurd I hardly even know where to begin. But you are clearly a narrow minded bigoted fool. Just because you are from another country does not mean that you are secretly hoping they do better--such a stupid assumption. You do not need to be an American to be a good teacher, and it is not a privilege to be a teacher, it's a job.

Teaching is most absolutely a privilege. No one owes you a job.

[Anonymous]

Maybe the teacher is not a US citizen........

[Anonymous]

Well, my God is different than your God. Just saying...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

This is so absurd I hardly even know where to begin. But you are clearly a narrow minded bigoted fool. Just because you are from another country does not mean that you are secretly hoping they do better--such a stupid assumption. You do not need to be an American to be a good teacher, and it is not a privilege to be a teacher, it's a job.

Teaching is most absolutely a privilege. No one owes you a job.

How are teachers supposed to train students to be citizens of our democracy if their own rights under our Constitution are being violated? Can I send you a pocket Constitution?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

Jehovah's Witnesses, for one group, don't pledge because their allegiance/loyalty is to God, not a country. They, and others, have the right not to say it.

The right has nothing to do with teaching, but instead with our Constitution. At any gathering where the pledge is said, people have the right not to say it (nor honestly even to stand), but they should be respectful of those that are saying it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well, my God is different than your God. Just saying...

And? The Pledge of Allegiance is not religious. Take out the mention of God (two words) if you want. But loyalty and allegiance to this country is, or at least should be, a minimum requirement for teaching in our public schools.

[Anonymous]

It's not a republic. It's an oligarchy.

It's a country. Not a nation.

There is not liberty and justice for all.

It's not indivisible.

It's a stupid pledge. Thinking anyone should be forced to say it is even stupider.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well, my God is different than your God. Just saying...

And? The Pledge of Allegiance is not religious. Take out the mention of God (two words) if you want. But loyalty and allegiance to this country is, or at least should be, a minimum requirement for teaching in our public schools.

Do you allow dissent in your view of loyalty and allegiance?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the children are required to say it, the teacher should say it as well. That's just basic respect. This idea that "I don't have to follow rules if I don't agree with them" is infecting our culture. My family members served in the military. They didn't agree with many of the rules, but you can't have everyone making it up as they go along. Following rules is what makes us civilized. The teacher is entitled to free speech, but not at school where the rules require saying the pledge, unless you've taken a (real) religious exemption.

ITA. I don't think that the Pledge of Allegiance is even religious. If someone doesn't want to say "under God" then they don't have to say those two words.

It is religious as long at "under God" is in the pledge regardless if someone doesn't say those two words- they are still in the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America (not religious)

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation (not religious)

under God (the only religious words - don't say them if you don't want to)

indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. (not religious)


Teaching our public school kids in this country is a privilege, not a right. And, yes, if you are going to be teaching in a United States school then you should absolutely be a loyal American whose allegiance is to the United States of America and who believes in liberty and justice for all citizens in this country.

I really don't want someone with an allegiance to England (or wherever else) teaching my kids while secretly hoping that the kids in "their" country learn more than mine do. That would be a pretty big conflict of interest.

Jehovah's Witnesses, for one group, don't pledge because their allegiance/loyalty is to God, not a country. They, and others, have the right not to say it.

The right has nothing to do with teaching, but instead with our Constitution. At any gathering where the pledge is said, people have the right not to say it (nor honestly even to stand), but they should be respectful of those that are saying it.

We aren't talking about any random gathering of people - like a ballgame for instance where a few opt not to say the pledge. Whatever.

To me the Pledge of Allegiance is a pledge of loyalty to our country. You can believe in God (or not) and still pledge loyalty to this country.