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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There is no requirement to say the pledge or even support this country to remain a full and protected citizen. We are not required to participate (vote) in the governing of it either. The opinions of ignorant people who think that their notion of what others should do SO FAR does not supersede what the constitution protects from being imposed on others. I say the pledge when I am somewhere it is said but because I love my country and the freedoms allowed I do not judge individual choice or feel that the flag wearing, hand on heart, proudly allegiance maker is more a part of this country than my fellow citizens who no neither or even go so far as to turn away from the flag (or 'take a knee'): we are a great country because all of this[/quote]

You don't have to like kids.  Heck, you can really, really dislike kids.  But that would probably make teaching out of the question for you.

If your goal is to help educate our future U.S. citizens I would hope that you at least like our country and that you aren't secretly hoping that Switzerland kicks our school children's academic azz.[/quote]

But their job is math and reading, not political indoctrination.  You are really delusional. [/quote]

The bottom line is that a teacher vested in the well being of America is going to put more effort into teaching young American children than a English citizen vested in the well being of England.  I suppose you will need a multi million dollar study to prove that though  :roll: .[/quote]

PP, you seem to be carefully avoiding the constitutional issues involved.  Does the Constitution not matter to you? [/quote]

The Constitution applies to U.S. citizens.  Of course it matters.[/quote]

Logic or information is not a strong suit for your ilk, is it.  The Constitution offers the same protections when it comes to this issue to citizens and non-citizens alike.  Please just go back into the hole you came out of.[/quote]

Actually, I don't think that non-citizens get the exact same protections as U.S. citizens....I'm not well versed on Constitutional law (not sure why I would be, I'm not a Constitutional law attorney).

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Then why are you making uneducated comments?  Yes, everyone in 'murka is afforded same First Amendment protections.  Free speech is not only for citizens.  Ever consider that half of that classroom could be citizens of some other nation?  I live in DC and my son's classroom is probably 50% non-American (diplomats mostly).  Good luck requiring them to say the pledge.  But even my American kid is not required and will never be.  I urge you to read, study, inform yourself before making inflammatory, stupid statements.[/quote]

Never said that all students should be required to say the pledge.  I really don't care what your child's classroom make up is - it doesn't make your opinion any more valid than anyone else's.  And if you think that only Constitutional law attorneys are "allowed" to have an opinion as to what goes on our children's schools - oh well, you are dead wrong on that.  [/quote]

It does matter that you are making statements affirming something you know absolutely nothing about.  So, no, you don't have to be a constitutional scholar, but you at least should know the basis if you are going to be arguing about it.[/quote]

Well, call me an idiot.  But the Constitution was originally intended to protect the freedom of U.S. citizens.  If we have somehow managed to interpret it in ways that are contrary to the well being of this country and it's lawful citizens it is time to revisit those interpretations.  Something is out of whack.

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Dafuq are you talking about?[/quote]

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