Protecting undocumented students (families) in DC schools

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

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Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

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And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

two quick thoughts:

1) Well, that's a question for the employers, not for the schools, isn't it?

2) These days being "able boded" is not as important as being "able brained"

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

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Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

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And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

two quick thoughts:

1) Well, that's a question for the employers, not for the schools, isn't it?

2) These days being "able boded" is not as important as being "able brained"

Or "willing to work for wages that citizens will not."

I've long been annoyed by the argument "they do jobs Americans won't do!" That's b.s. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for free. Stop the flood of undocumented workers who will work for next to nothing, and the price of labor (largely accruing to low-skilled AA males) will increase.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

Really funny considering how many people have no problem reporting people they think come from MD or VA. The kids aren't the ones breaking the law in that situation either.

Maybe--just maybe--it has to do with the severity of the consequences for the children.

Like massive fines and possibly imprisonment? I guess you haven't followed any recent stories of people getting "caught"

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

Really funny considering how many people have no problem reporting people they think come from MD or VA. The kids aren't the ones breaking the law in that situation either.

You are a fool. How dare you equate the two?

If a kid gets caught in a DC school residency cheating, he goes back to Maryland schools. His parents might have to pay for the cost of his DC education. They had the option of attending school in Maryland, but convenience or other reasons put them in a DC school.

If a kid whose parents are undocumented workers, or if the child is undocumented, they get sent back to another country they might not know, might not speak the language, and they lose everything they worked hard for here. Families can be torn apart with the U.S. Citizen child being left here while the parents are deported into a potentially dangerous situation. Americans love hiring cheap immigrant labor, but have no understanding of the consequences of deportation.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

I am not an immigration hawk, however you may be overstating this in bold in the DC area, and especially regarding children in DC schools.

If you look at the children of Central American immigrants in DC schools (both undocumented and legal), I think you're going to find that most are recent arrivals and few of the children were born in the US. Most speak Spanish at home, many of the children are officially ELL in the school system, and many families do keep ties with the home country.

This is NOT to say that they want to return, or that they should be forced to return. But I don't believe that DC has a lot of these "dreamers" you read about in the news, the ones who are now 27 years old and were brought here illegally when they were age 3. I think those are mostly of Mexican descent, living in the South and SW.

In DC it is mostly immigrants who arrived within the last few years, plus the older wave that came during the Central American civil wars many decades ago. Most of the latter got refugee status or benefited from the Reagan amnesty.

My child goes to a school with a very high population of Latinos. I don't know how many of them are undocumented or how many of their parents are. My child is in first grade, and her friends were mostly born here. They do speak Spanish at home and are officially ELL in the school system and keep ties to their home countries, but it's their parents' home countries, not theirs.

My concern about having DCPS reporting undocumented families to ICE is that discourages families concerned about ICE notice (either because they are undocumented or someone in their community is, etc.) from sending their kids to school at all. I would prefer that the children in my neighborhood attend school, regardless of their parents' immigration status.

The crazy poster above equating undocumented immigrants with pedophiles is absolutely crossing a line. Get a grip, PP.

How do you know that? Because the kid told you or are you just assuming? The parents aren't going to tell you if the child wasn't born here and they are certainly going to tell their child they were born here even if they were not to avoid any suspicion.

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A different perspective -
If some of the American educated kids who make it to college age or farther and then had to leave and return back to their home country, that would be a bonus to their home countries which often experience "brain drain" and that can prevent growth in the country itself.

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Sure, it's not not the kid's fault if he's undocumented. But all kids suffer or benefit from their parents' choices and circumstances. And getting the kids in the US is a big motivation for illegal immigration. If the kids have no risks once here, then the parents will keep deciding to come. While their goals are understandable, their tactics are wrong. If they want to immigrate, they should immigrate legally.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

+1

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

+2.

And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

two quick thoughts:

1) Well, that's a question for the employers, not for the schools, isn't it?

2) These days being "able boded" is not as important as being "able brained"

Or "willing to work for wages that citizens will not."

I've long been annoyed by the argument "they do jobs Americans won't do!" That's b.s. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for free. Stop the flood of undocumented workers who will work for next to nothing, and the price of labor (largely accruing to low-skilled AA males) will increase.

This may very well surprise you, but there are more low-skilled LEGAL Hispanic males than AAs, not to talk about other equally legal immigrant groups. If you believe the primary way to help low-skilled AA males is through deportation, you are quite wrong.

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Since Mayor Bowser has declared DC a sanctuary city, isn't the OP's concern largely moot or am I missing something?

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Anonymous wrote:Since Mayor Bowser has declared DC a sanctuary city, isn't the OP's concern largely moot or am I missing something?

You're not missing anything. Moot for now. If Trump were to try to withhold federal funds to sanctuary cities - and the District changed its position - then this will be a relevant question.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

+1

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

+2.

And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

two quick thoughts:

1) Well, that's a question for the employers, not for the schools, isn't it?

2) These days being "able boded" is not as important as being "able brained"

Or "willing to work for wages that citizens will not."

I've long been annoyed by the argument "they do jobs Americans won't do!" That's b.s. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for free. Stop the flood of undocumented workers who will work for next to nothing, and the price of labor (largely accruing to low-skilled AA males) will increase.

This may very well surprise you, but there are more low-skilled LEGAL Hispanic males than AAs, not to talk about other equally legal immigrant groups. If you believe the primary way to help low-skilled AA males is through deportation, you are quite wrong.

Nothing surprises me about you missing the point. Who cares what their race is? Whether AA or Hispanic, or White or Asian - so long as they are legal yet low-skilled, their wages are driven down by undocumented workers.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

+1

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

+2.

And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

two quick thoughts:

1) Well, that's a question for the employers, not for the schools, isn't it?

2) These days being "able boded" is not as important as being "able brained"

Or "willing to work for wages that citizens will not."

I've long been annoyed by the argument "they do jobs Americans won't do!" That's b.s. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for free. Stop the flood of undocumented workers who will work for next to nothing, and the price of labor (largely accruing to low-skilled AA males) will increase.

This may very well surprise you, but there are more low-skilled LEGAL Hispanic males than AAs, not to talk about other equally legal immigrant groups. If you believe the primary way to help low-skilled AA males is through deportation, you are quite wrong.

Nothing surprises me about you missing the point. Who cares what their race is? Whether AA or Hispanic, or White or Asian - so long as they are legal yet low-skilled, their wages are driven down by undocumented workers.

The economy is not a zero sum game, my friend.

In fact, it's more of the opposite. You need to bake more cakes before you think how to share them.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

+1

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

+2.

And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

two quick thoughts:

1) Well, that's a question for the employers, not for the schools, isn't it?

2) These days being "able boded" is not as important as being "able brained"

Or "willing to work for wages that citizens will not."

I've long been annoyed by the argument "they do jobs Americans won't do!" That's b.s. There are no jobs Americans won't do. They just won't do them for free. Stop the flood of undocumented workers who will work for next to nothing, and the price of labor (largely accruing to low-skilled AA males) will increase.

This may very well surprise you, but there are more low-skilled LEGAL Hispanic males than AAs, not to talk about other equally legal immigrant groups. If you believe the primary way to help low-skilled AA males is through deportation, you are quite wrong.

Nothing surprises me about you missing the point. Who cares what their race is? Whether AA or Hispanic, or White or Asian - so long as they are legal yet low-skilled, their wages are driven down by undocumented workers.

The economy is not a zero sum game, my friend.

In fact, it's more of the opposite. You need to bake more cakes before you think how to share them.

At the bottom of the pile, it is. If you'll work legally for $10.50 an hour, but an undocumented worker will take $8, then you lose. This is not the "creative class" - this is what it takes to pick lettuce and haul port-a-johns.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

+1

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

+2.

And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

Have you ever picked strawberries? What about lettuce? Go do that for an hour, I challenge you. I've done it. Report back, tell us what you think!!

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Anonymous wrote:none of you read the Supreme Court case on this actual issue that is mentioned on the first page of the thread, did you?

Plyler v. Doe. From 1982. When Reagan was president. Schools can't kick out undocumented kids who otherwise meet enrollment rules.

Yes. It is not legal for schools in the United States to require children to provide proof of citizenship. It is furthermore not legal for schools to ask questions that might create a "chilling effect" and result in families not enrolling their kids in schools because of fear of immigration action. Additionally, publicly funded schools are required by law to provide services to children who are not yet fully proficient in English.

These rights are drawn from Supreme Court case law (in addition to Plyler vs Doe, also Lau vs Nichols and Casteneda vs Pickard on the language rights). I'd say kids in DC are reasonably well protected. Our admin gets it and understands the implications. Places where kids are more vulnerable are in some of the other states (Hi, Arizona!), and also when they leave school There are are kids who are brought up in the US but don't have legal standing -- when they leave HS, they have difficulties in accessing higher education. Also, there aren't protections for the parents of these kids.

Matter settled.

Let's ignore the crazies, who somehow seem to be residence cheaters themselves.

It took many times and years to free the slaves, it's been decades since this running times have changed

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Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Because presumably their parents are the ones who broke the law, not the students.

But you are sure quick to report any hint of residency cheating. That's on the parents and not the kids, right? So if a kid from Mexico is in your school illegally, it's ok. If a kid from a different DC neighborhood dares to try it, you'll report it as fast as your fingers can dial the phone.

Uh... the difference is in most cases the undocumented child's parents are actually paying taxes in DC, where as the Maryland child's asshole parents are not.

+1

Most undocumented workers pay taxes, including many who have state and federal taxes withheld from their paychecks.

+2.

And of course they pay property taxes where they live (directly or indirectly), just like everyone else.

The bigger question is how can an illegal immigrant get a job in the first place. Plenty of able boded citizens employable.

Have you ever picked strawberries? What about lettuce? Go do that for an hour, I challenge you. I've done it. Report back, tell us what you think!!

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