Protecting undocumented students (families) in DC schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Are your kids documented? Did Native Americans document your kids? Or did you have immigrants and their descendants document your kids?
I think the latter. In that case, why can't Salvadorians living here document the undocumented kids?
I don't understand why people voted for Trump, glad you do, because you don't seem to understand a whole lot other things.

This argument always makes me laugh. Did the Anglo-Saxons document the Norman invaders? Did the Marathas document the Mughals? Did the Gauls document the Romans?

All nations are "settler" nations if you go back far enough. Nation states have laws. Nation states exist only insofar as the laws are enforced.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How can you be in school and be undocumented? They have no books?, no test papers?, no spiral notebooks?, no vaccination records? Surely they have documents, and pencils, and erasers?

Or did you mean illegal?

Again, how do you know they (not their parents) are illegal?

Remember the part about being innocent unless proven guilty?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Are your kids documented? Did Native Americans document your kids? Or did you have immigrants and their descendants document your kids?
I think the latter. In that case, why can't Salvadorians living here document the undocumented kids?
I don't understand why people voted for Trump, glad you do, because you don't seem to understand a whole lot other things.

This argument always makes me laugh. Did the Anglo-Saxons document the Norman invaders? Did the Marathas document the Mughals? Did the Gauls document the Romans?

All nations are "settler" nations if you go back far enough. Nation states have laws. Nation states exist only insofar as the laws are enforced.

I don't really follow this logic. Do you support the slavery that took place? If not, are you advocating for the removal of slave descendants?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:none of you read the Supreme Court case on this actual issue that is mentioned on the first page of the thread, did you?

Plyler v. Doe. From 1982. When Reagan was president. Schools can't kick out undocumented kids who otherwise meet enrollment rules.

Yes. It is not legal for schools in the United States to require children to provide proof of citizenship. It is furthermore not legal for schools to ask questions that might create a "chilling effect" and result in families not enrolling their kids in schools because of fear of immigration action. Additionally, publicly funded schools are required by law to provide services to children who are not yet fully proficient in English.

These rights are drawn from Supreme Court case law (in addition to Plyler vs Doe, also Lau vs Nichols and Casteneda vs Pickard on the language rights). I'd say kids in DC are reasonably well protected. Our admin gets it and understands the implications. Places where kids are more vulnerable are in some of the other states (Hi, Arizona!), and also when they leave school There are are kids who are brought up in the US but don't have legal standing -- when they leave HS, they have difficulties in accessing higher education. Also, there aren't protections for the parents of these kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

[b]

I live in a sanctuary city and this is why I voted Trump. Bye bye illegals!!!

[Anonymous]

I don't know what people think would be gained by calling the police on US citizen children of undocumented adults. We educate children because an educated population is good for all Americans.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:none of you read the Supreme Court case on this actual issue that is mentioned on the first page of the thread, did you?

Plyler v. Doe. From 1982. When Reagan was president. Schools can't kick out undocumented kids who otherwise meet enrollment rules.

Yes. It is not legal for schools in the United States to require children to provide proof of citizenship. It is furthermore not legal for schools to ask questions that might create a "chilling effect" and result in families not enrolling their kids in schools because of fear of immigration action. Additionally, publicly funded schools are required by law to provide services to children who are not yet fully proficient in English.

These rights are drawn from Supreme Court case law (in addition to Plyler vs Doe, also Lau vs Nichols and Casteneda vs Pickard on the language rights). I'd say kids in DC are reasonably well protected. Our admin gets it and understands the implications. Places where kids are more vulnerable are in some of the other states (Hi, Arizona!), and also when they leave school There are are kids who are brought up in the US but don't have legal standing -- when they leave HS, they have difficulties in accessing higher education. Also, there aren't protections for the parents of these kids.

Matter settled.

Let's ignore the crazies, who somehow seem to be residence cheaters themselves.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Are your kids documented? Did Native Americans document your kids? Or did you have immigrants and their descendants document your kids?
I think the latter. In that case, why can't Salvadorians living here document the undocumented kids?
I don't understand why people voted for Trump, glad you do, because you don't seem to understand a whole lot other things.

This argument always makes me laugh. Did the Anglo-Saxons document the Norman invaders? Did the Marathas document the Mughals? Did the Gauls document the Romans?

All nations are "settler" nations if you go back far enough. Nation states have laws. Nation states exist only insofar as the laws are enforced.

Yeah... not so much. The reason I absolutely can't get mad at Central Americans coming here illegally is that between about 1906 and 2006, the US sent troops to Mexico and Central America 106 times, in clear violation of those countries' sovereignty and international law, usually to protect the interests of the likes of United Fruit. We have absolutely zero moral leg to stand on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

[b]

I live in a sanctuary city and this is why I voted Trump. Bye bye illegals!!!

+1. Yup. That's why I voted for Trump too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

[b]

I live in a sanctuary city and this is why I voted Trump. Bye bye illegals!!!

Come on...we know you didnt, you residence-cheaters...go back rot in your cave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Are your kids documented? Did Native Americans document your kids? Or did you have immigrants and their descendants document your kids?
I think the latter. In that case, why can't Salvadorians living here document the undocumented kids?
I don't understand why people voted for Trump, glad you do, because you don't seem to understand a whole lot other things.

This argument always makes me laugh. Did the Anglo-Saxons document the Norman invaders? Did the Marathas document the Mughals? Did the Gauls document the Romans?

All nations are "settler" nations if you go back far enough. Nation states have laws. Nation states exist only insofar as the laws are enforced.

Yeah... not so much. The reason I absolutely can't get mad at Central Americans coming here illegally is that between about 1906 and 2006, the US sent troops to Mexico and Central America 106 times, in clear violation of those countries' sovereignty and international law, usually to protect the interests of the likes of United Fruit. We have absolutely zero moral leg to stand on here.

Thank you for bringing this up. I was going to before but didn't have the time. Agree and thank you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of it all!

Many of the Central American immigrants are here because they are refugees. If you had the same situation you would leave too. You are a disgusting person.

wartime refugees are a different class than illegal immigrants, idiot. no wonder no one listens to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

[b]

I live in a sanctuary city and this is why I voted Trump. Bye bye illegals!!!

+1. Yup. That's why I voted for Trump too.

Where were you educated? People cannot be legal or legal. Residency is not permanent. (Do you live in your ancestral home? Have you been through divorce or custody proceedings? Homelessness?)

Immigration and international relations are managed by the federal government for a reason. Teachers, doctors, and police officers are not immigration lawyers. Their skills are needed to serve the needs of people like you, your children, your neighbors.

An "illegal" today could be "legal" tomorrow. If you don't like the laws and enforcement, then propose new laws and lobby for change. The current system doesn't serve anyone's interests long-term.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

Thanks for pointing out the hypocrisy of it all!

Many of the Central American immigrants are here because they are refugees. If you had the same situation you would leave too. You are a disgusting person.

wartime refugees are a different class than illegal immigrants, idiot. no wonder no one listens to you.

Many undocumented people could have qualified as refugees but needed to leave immediately in lieu of waiting around for a refugee visa. Furthermore, there are no provisions for economic refugees. If you're starving or fleeing war with only the clothes on your back, you're shit out of luck.

In addition, due to political reasons many legitimate refugees were denied this status because the U.S. could not recognize someone as a refugee if they were ignoring ethnic cleansing for example.

Consider taking some night classes to cure your obvious lack of education and xenophobia.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP, why shouldn't schools be required to report undocumented students? I'm troubled by the implication that being undocumented is perfectly A-OK. It isn't.

That attitude is why a lot of people went for Trump. I didn't, but I understand why people did.

[b]

I live in a sanctuary city and this is why I voted Trump. Bye bye illegals!!!

+1. Yup. That's why I voted for Trump too.

Where were you educated? People cannot be legal or legal. Residency is not permanent. (Do you live in your ancestral home? Have you been through divorce or custody proceedings? Homelessness?)

Immigration and international relations are managed by the federal government for a reason. Teachers, doctors, and police officers are not immigration lawyers. Their skills are needed to serve the needs of people like you, your children, your neighbors.

An "illegal" today could be "legal" tomorrow. If you don't like the laws and enforcement, then propose new laws and lobby for change. The current system doesn't serve anyone's interests long-term.

Agree except to say that people are not and have never been illegal. People can have no legal documentation such as a work permit or residency papers.